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O little town of Bethlehem,
How still we see thee lie!
A wall is laid where tourists stayed,
And tanks go rolling by.
And in thy dark streets shineth
No cheerful Christmas light;
The grief and fears of three sad years
Are met in thee tonight.

How silently, how silently
The world regards it all,
As now thy heart is torn apart
By Israel's ghetto wall.
They terrorize a people -
A war crime and a sin;
Their winding 'fence' can make no sense;
Revenge can still get in.

O promised child of Bethlehem,
Cast down the iron cage,
The walls of hate that separate
And harden and enrage;
Bring justice and make equal;
Come down from far above;
And come to birth upon this earth,
As hope and peace and love.

From the c4 Alternative Xmas challenge. See all 819 entries (closed)

(I helped save b3ta! DigitalJim dishwasher & microwave safe, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:06, archived)
# I don't get it
(1, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:07, archived)
# It is really funny,
honest.
(I helped save b3ta! DigitalJim dishwasher & microwave safe, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:09, archived)
# Oh right, you have to read the text
damn you, mornings!
(1, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:11, archived)
# It's Jew-hating bigoted crap
and therefore quite fashionable for the bigoted and ignorant classes of today's media and academic elites.
(Indole Ring, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:10, archived)
# it's not anti-semitic as such
but it is a one sided view of the situation in israel

mostly the right view in my opinion, but....
(I helped save b3ta! MrSanity has maybe kicked the WoW habit forever, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:13, archived)
# The wrong view in my opinion
and quite redolent of the ideology that sent 6,000,000 Jews to the gas chambers last century.

But what the hell, free speech and all ...
(Indole Ring, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:15, archived)
# how
quickly they forget eh?

once the opressed now the opressors....
(I helped save b3ta! youknowyouloveit, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:16, archived)
# Only if
you regard trying to prevent other people from killing you as "oppression".
(Indole Ring, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:18, archived)
# but surely
israelis were the terrorists in palestine first?

You've got to look at the root causes of these things, if the Palestinians had any dignity they wouldn't feel the need to blow themselves up. One side wearing a uniform does not mean their tactics are no less a form of terror.

That said, both sides need separating, so probably this wall is a good idea. Its just in the wrong place (read: 1967 border) thats all.
(I helped save b3ta! youknowyouloveit, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:22, archived)
# I shot
jew once*




*May have been a pidgeon *

*With an air rifle.
(I helped save b3ta! Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:38, archived)
# Are you sure?
I could have sworn it was me.
(I helped save b3ta! Black Moon Not cracked, I'm all up to be., Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:55, archived)
# Shut up you guys
a minutes silence please for the soldiers of WW1. ( right now )
(Toby1 needs a job RIGHT NOW, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:58, archived)
# Please?
(I helped save b3ta! Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:59, archived)
# 11th month 11th hour 11th minute.
The end of the slaughter.
.
(Toby1 needs a job RIGHT NOW, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:03, archived)
# but on the 11th day
not the 14th
(1, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:05, archived)
# Prezactly
(I helped save b3ta! Mykeyboy A massive, salty filing cabinet, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:06, archived)
# Ok, now do a search for 10:58 and see if anybody posted anything
(I helped save b3ta! Black Moon Not cracked, I'm all up to be., Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:00, archived)
#

















(1, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:02, archived)
# i don't see jews mentioned anywhere?
(just did a search for jew - sunday morning is not the best time to read)
(I helped save b3ta! bumblebee.. I am not a number! I am a free snail!, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:15, archived)
# The "poem"
is a smear of Israeli Jews, for daring to defend themselves against Palestinian terrorists by trying to keep them out.
(Indole Ring, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:17, archived)
# i blame the liberal media..
just kidding.

can't really say i care much for any religion. religion seems to incite anger in a lot of people.
(I helped save b3ta! bumblebee.. I am not a number! I am a free snail!, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:20, archived)
# religion is rsponsible for too many killings
it should be banned
(I helped save b3ta! MrSanity has maybe kicked the WoW habit forever, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:42, archived)
# But religion explains why were are here...
...and a purpose. Looks like that purpose is just killing each other at the moment tho..
(I helped save b3ta! The Sisko I hate the whole world, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:45, archived)
# If we didn't have religion to create hatred,
we could always use soccer.
(I helped save b3ta! Black Moon Not cracked, I'm all up to be., Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:52, archived)
# and the strange thing here
is that most religions include rules about being nice to people and not killing them and so forth
(1, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:56, archived)
# Is that a contradiction?
If a sign says "Keep off the grass" what would you do?

hehehehe.
(I helped save b3ta! Black Moon Not cracked, I'm all up to be., Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:57, archived)
# smoke
it
(I helped save b3ta! youknowyouloveit, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:19, archived)
# ?
Is everything that is critical of the Israeli occupation anti-semitic?

Shouldn't be...
(I helped save b3ta! kplex, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:57, archived)
# for fuck's sake
I just deleted a rant before I posted it.

You're very wrong, but I can't be arsed so early on a sunday.

FLUFFFFFFFFFFF
(guinea, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:45, archived)
# You couldn't be more predictable if you tried
Doesn't appear to stop you trying though.
(I helped save b3ta! Deebster, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 12:22, archived)
# Haha
Thats a good poem
(I helped save b3ta! iainiainiainiain, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:12, archived)
# that sah
is absolute class
(I helped save b3ta! youknowyouloveit, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:13, archived)
# In exactly the same way
as "Mein Kampf".
(Indole Ring, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:18, archived)
# hmmmmm
Bring justice and make equal;
Come down from far above;

hardly anti anyone is it?
(I helped save b3ta! youknowyouloveit, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:24, archived)
# Hardly.
Israel's ghetto wall.
They terrorize a people -
A war crime and a sin

A bit anti-Israel/Jews, wouldn't you say?
(Indole Ring, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:54, archived)
# I'd say it was more anti-Israel's leaders than anti-Isreali people
(1, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:57, archived)
# fair comment Evil Pundit
but One has a good point. I didn't read the poem as an affront to anyone but a government policy.
(I helped save b3ta! youknowyouloveit, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 11:19, archived)
# Anti-what now?
There's a difference between being anti-Semitic and anti-"Israeli policy to Palestine", with anti-Zionism sitting somewhere in the middle.

Just because a nation of peoples have been persecuted for a number of years does not give their leaders the right to persecute others.

However this thread is getting very close to invoking Godwin's law so I'll stop there.
(phyphor, Mon 15 Nov 2004, 17:52, archived)
# well,
I think that's great!
(I helped save b3ta! robh, Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:25, archived)
# Well, I don't follow the whole Israel/Palestine thing
and know nothing about it whatsoever so I'll just leave well enough alone if it's ok with you.

Fluff heals all wounds.
(I helped save b3ta! Black Moon Not cracked, I'm all up to be., Sun 14 Nov 2004, 10:56, archived)