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[challenge entry] apocalypse now, monkey


this time its 4 days long

*edit added smoke on water effect thing from original still
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 9:52, archived)
# Woo!
that man.

oh erm total threadjack but i'd like to know is the GIMP worth downloading?
(I helped save b3ta! KernKraft Gosh, there isn't much noise outside today, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 9:57, archived)
# Why thank you
I heard it is .... thread jacker
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 9:59, archived)
# soooory, i didnt want to waste a thread on it
i really shouldve posted on the talk board but i just woke up so i cant be bothered
(I helped save b3ta! KernKraft Gosh, there isn't much noise outside today, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:02, archived)
# No need to
apologise,



unless you didn't mean that woo
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:02, archived)
# the woo was scincere sir
my spelling is not apparently.
(I helped save b3ta! KernKraft Gosh, there isn't much noise outside today, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:15, archived)
# Then
I thank you kind sir

poor spelling and all
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:16, archived)
# it`s good, but a bugger to use
you could try serif photoplus

www.freeserifsoftware.com I think; not as good as PS (and GIMP probably) but a lot easier to use than GIMP

.. and remember - Photoshop Elements is only 50-60 quid, and very good
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:01, archived)
# your shares in elements must be soaring

(I helped save b3ta! mongychops, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:02, archived)
# ..
he's the director of the company
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:03, archived)
# meh
after they bought macromedia I dunno if I`ll buy anything of theirs ever again

.. unless they do a version for Linux

*builds up to a rhythmic fwap*
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:03, archived)
# Oooh this looks pretty, thankyou
i don't have teh moneyz for photoshop
(I helped save b3ta! KernKraft Gosh, there isn't much noise outside today, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:18, archived)
# it`s not bad.. I used it in work for a bit when all I had was paint
unfortunately it saves your project files (all the layers etc.) in a stupid format that only it understands, but if you think it`s shit, try gimp
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:29, archived)
# is that the pope`s head?

(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:03, archived)
# ...
is what the popes head?
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:03, archived)
# the floaty watery head thing
that resembles the pope


NGGGH!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:06, archived)
# ....ah
no its not the pope

its a woolly monkey stuck (badly) to martin sheens head.
(Colley Cibber http://sftrh.blogspot.com/, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:07, archived)
# Rik

do you know anything about designing
websites in flash, or at least a
good tutorial?
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:09, archived)
# yeah go buy the new CA special
oh wait

it's 15 fookin quid!!!!!!!!!!
(I helped save b3ta! Ironman tetsuo Back once again with the renegade mastah!, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:11, archived)
# what's CA special?

(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:19, archived)
# sorry
computer arts

i only mentioned it as i picked it up yesterday

but then spotted the price
puts it back down...
(I helped save b3ta! Ironman tetsuo Back once again with the renegade mastah!, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:25, archived)
# my advice would be not to do it :)
flashkit isn`t a bad site for bits and pieces, but I think you`re better off building "static" (even if it`s dynamically generated) and adding bits of flash where appropriate

otherwise you`ll end up with a flash movie as a container and be loading movie clips into a central "main" area, with some navigation buttons, etc. - not that hard to do, but a pain in the bum to maintain
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:12, archived)
# ^^ this
much better advice
(I helped save b3ta! Ironman tetsuo Back once again with the renegade mastah!, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:14, archived)
# suppose it depends who it`s for
and settle for Flash 6 as the version 7 plugin isn`t used anywhere near as much.. some clients (oooh clients.. drugs + prostitution) like whizzy flash stuff at the expense of 40% of users being able to see and hear it all!
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:16, archived)
# naw, I planned to keep it *real* straightforward
something like this:
www.ceramicaplus.cz/flash/index_en.html


edit: god I hate websites with sound!
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:20, archived)
# that`s not too bad, but could easily be done with bog standard HTML
plus search engines and the like wouldn`t have a chance at spidering that page - then you have to worry about flash plugin detection scripts and stuff

but I`m not gonna piss on your parade - you get some nice`n`easy layout using flash (i.e. don`t have to dick around trying to line stuff up) so work away; you can always save images off and make a static HTML version that way

just use fonts that are available on Linux boxes ;) there`s a Microsoft free font pack available, which is nice for compatibility
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:24, archived)
# thanks!

I'm not too worried about the spider thing, as
it's a rather specialized local market. But
yeah it is nice not having to screw with tables
and rollover scripting . . .
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:31, archived)
# yeah,
that's what I've been messing with, loadmovie()
and unloadmovie(). I don't know CSS and I don't
want to learn something new so I was going to
do the whole thing in flash.
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:16, archived)
# if you keep it really simple
and use tables if you have to (shut up Syncubus.. some people still use tables! :p), CSS is OK

just stick to stuff like
<p class="bigtext">here is big text</p>

then define this in your stylesheet file like
.bigtext {
font-size: 9000px;
}
it keeps it easy to maintain, without going crazy with complexity
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:21, archived)
# yeah, I started doing it with tables
then I figured, might as well be modern, and
started poking around with CSS, then I did it
in Flash, which I already know(sort of).
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:24, archived)
# aye just know your market (are the people likely to have flash 6, etc.)
and remember you`ll have to update this stuff later, so keep it simple :)

I don`t like their approach up there as you go to a new page every time you click a link, instead of it just loading in the bits it needs
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:26, archived)
# thats what I've got done so far
it loads and unloads clips on each sub-page,
but the menus are seperate pages, and that's
what I felt was rather sloppy.
(I helped save b3ta! Purple Onion, Sat 2 Jul 2005, 10:33, archived)