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(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 7:57, archived)

Come, come.
Even Clinton wasn't quite that bad.

Calling him a crooked extremist is a bit rough.

Clinton's a bit of a dope, not very competent -- sure. But not really a despot (except for that Waco thing).
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 7:59, archived)

the point
is over there
*points* :)
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:01, archived)

What?
Clinton was the best president you folk have had in my living memory. He just could not keep his dick in his pants, which does not bother me in the slightest, it just seems that the bible bashing midwest can't open their eyes to the fact that the world revolves around hypocrisy and we expect better behaviour from out leaders than we are prepared to adopt in our own lives.

Clinton was a God send compared to this warmongering, ill-educated incompetent that is incumbent now. The biggest threat to world security today? Why are people looking East, he sits in the Oval office.

Morning ;)
( Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:07, archived)

the idea that clinton was impeached for fucking is a fallacy
he committed perjory under oath which to my knowledge is a felony.

that said, I think the clinton years were actually fun.
( deject one time dreamt that he was involutarily digesting, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:10, archived)

I'm fully aware of that
however he was still the most competent president you people have had since Roosevelt, and he wasn't as all that as people would like to remember.
( Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:11, archived)

Since JFK surely?
Maybe a womaniser, but arguably the best.
( Fishcat www.crabhat.net, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:13, archived)

you have got to be kidding right?
That was the single most corrupt government I can think of. trouble is it all gets washed over in the US whilst here in Europe we get to see documentaries that actually tell the truth. JFK? Jesus, a drug addict who allowed the mafia to make policy decisions and run the US attorney's office? I say again, you must be kidding.
( Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:15, archived)

European? Documentaries? Truth?
You can have any two, but not more then two, of the above simultaneously.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:17, archived)

Not like
those fine, impartial people at Fox TV.

:D
(Pseudonym, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:29, archived)

Well as far as i know
Roosevelt was a racist and a nazi sympathiser. Didn't he support the eugenics movement in America?
( Fishcat www.crabhat.net, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:31, archived)

Clinton was a commie sympathiser
and a draft dodger.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:36, archived)

Yay for Clinton!
Though he did say he likes Birmingham...


(he did have a pint in his hand as he said it)
( Fishcat www.crabhat.net, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:38, archived)

Ha ha ha
I forgot about that. Fish and chips too, yes?
( mr horrible put his trousers on really angrily on, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:43, archived)

surely
it was a phallusy?







/coat
(Digireedoo, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:20, archived)

huk huk huk
:)
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:24, archived)

badum-tish

(kaibosh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:28, archived)

Nah
Clinton was a goof.

He spread political correctness throughout the land, and completely failed to keep al-Qaeda at bay, setting the stage for 911.

He turned the FBI and BATF into quasi-fascist organisations that murdered Americans.

As for warmongering, Clinton used to bomb Iraq whenever he was geting hit by a scandal in the press.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:14, archived)

Sorry, we just
Don't see things throught the same rose tinted glasses in Europe.Al Quaeda did not need keeping at bay, they were a nothing group of dissidents, one of thousands. It has been the US foreign policy over the last decade that MADE Al Quaeda what it became. American policy is not the answer for world terrorism, it is the cause yet being as insular as the US has now become they can never see it.
( Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:18, archived)

Yes, everything is America's fault
That's a pretty typical viewpoint in some quarters. It's as if nobody else ever does anything wrong.

However, al-Qaeda became extremely active during Clinton's reign and he failed to take serious action against them.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:20, archived)

Political correctness is to blame for Al-Qaeda ?
that's the funniest thing you've said all day..

"US President Jimmy Carter's national security adviser, said the aim was to “destabilise the Soviet Union by fostering the spread of Islamic militancy in Central Asia”. At a turning point in this war, in 1985, US President Ronald Reagan doubled covert military aid to the Mujaheddin to $250 million a year"

Hmm political correctness eh?
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:22, archived)

Learn to parse sentences.
When you have mastered the art of reading English, you may be able to mount an argument.

BTW, Al-Qaeda originated in Saudi Arabia. That's about 3000 miles from Afghanistan.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:24, archived)

I can read and understand, but fail to see what political correctness had to do with the original conversation.
Yes it was born in Saudi out of the wahabi movement. Some fanatics from there went to fight the Soviets and were trained and paid for by the US government.
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:32, archived)

The democracies needed the Soviets to beat the Nazis
then they needed the Mujahideen to beat the Soviets

Now they need to clean up the remnants of the Mujahideen

It's a process.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:35, archived)

and where do you imagine this process will get us?

(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:36, archived)

Closer to a better world, over time
-- unless you think having Nazis and Soviets and fanatics all over the place is a good thing.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:37, archived)

It's phrases like, "Closer to a better world"
that scare me the most..

I wonder who it will be better for?
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:39, archived)

Liberal democracies with human rights
like the US, the UK (currently not under Nazi management, thanks to the aforementioned US), Canada, Australia, France (see UK), Germany (see UK), Japan, etc, etc, etc.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:42, archived)

one can only hope

(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:46, archived)

this is where it all falls down.
Who is this better world for? For you? Does this better world include our Muslim brothers without hate or prejudice. Capitalist democracy is no better than fascist dictatorship. It's still an extreme that is being forced upon people.
( Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:47, archived)

Nonsense.
Capitalist democracy is absolutely better than fascist dictatorship.

Why aren't the ovens full of gassed Muslims? Why aren't you in a concentration camp for questioning society?

Because you live in a capitalist democracy, not a fascist or communist dictatorship.

You can even leave if you want to. Nothing is being forced on you.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:50, archived)

Zoot has a point
When we vote in (assuming the election isn't distorted in any way)a leader or a government, they can then do whatever they feel like for a period of time, whether we like it or not. In this respect there is little difference.
( mr horrible put his trousers on really angrily on, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:54, archived)

No man has
right to decide the way another man should live his life. The moment that imposition is made then it is wrong.
Democracy is the same as religion. When you are firmly ensconced in it you are unable and unwilling to look outside the box and feel obligated to force your ideas on others. People, governments and countries should just leave others to live their lives.Terrorism happens for a reason, we have had it in the UK for over a hundred years, I've fought on the front line of that war. instead of killing people for protesting in the strongest way possible and therefore breeding new insurgents, governments should look to themselves and fix the problems in themselves that caused the acts of terror in the first place.
The UK took a very, very long time to learn this lesson, I hope others can do it quicker.
( Zoot Cadillac . do androids dream of electric sheep?, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:02, archived)

one little naive question
I forgot , Isn't gasing (still..) the speciality of some states of "the land of freedom"...? sorry you're right, capitalism is not despotic ...
(dreadful.the.great, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:39, archived)

on that note
isn't the Guantanamo Bay facility a bit like a concentration camp?

*coughs*abu gharib*coughs*
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:51, archived)

maybe not
because I don't think women are allowed in guantanamo...
(dreadful.the.great, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:53, archived)

Liberal?
Isn't that a dirty word in North America?
(sabre-tooth monkey, Fri 23 Sep 2005, 13:05, archived)

'ning Zoot
and I think you couldn't have said it better
( mediocre *canned laughter*, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:27, archived)

I like Clinton
A big fat (slightly stained) woo sir for you sir
( Cocodaye Miasere likes chips and peas, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:01, archived)

at least with Clinton
we had an intellectual running the country..
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:03, archived)

Really?
Who was it?
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:04, archived)

Hillary?

(kaibosh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:05, archived)

The brains of the outfit ...
Makes sense, sort of.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:06, archived)

this is so
fucking stupid. B3ta and politics go together about as well as salmon and peanut butter.
(kaibosh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:07, archived)

Sounds
tasty
(Smelch God says I'm a Pirate now. Yarr!, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:10, archived)

MMMmmmm
Crunchfishy-tastic
( Jacksonville believes God created evolution in 7 days, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 9:27, archived)

Yes,
there was that.
( Batshitmentalist being not quite so batshit since, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:04, archived)

yay
bring back clinton!
(less worse)
( olivier8 (euroloon), Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:02, archived)

The US needs a little help with her international image, and you're in charge of the corporate rebranding campaign. What would you do to help America soar again?
(kaibosh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:04, archived)

I'd remind the world
that America hasn't always been run by a bunch of fascists with armageddon in mind
(asciifaceofbob meh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:09, archived)

Clinton sure looks thin
after his heart troubles.
I miss the pudge.
(kaibosh, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:13, archived)

It never has
except in your imagination.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:27, archived)

Yes, I agree
once upon a time we owned you, bet it was safe to walk the streets then...
( hypnochimp www.miraclefruit.co.uk, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 8:33, archived)