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# I don't
but I do hate people hating organisations because someone told them to.

Other than that Flash misunderstanding they do fucking important work. Have you actually seen what they campaign against? www.peta.org/

/Too ill and early in the morning to have a sense of humour on such things blog
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:28, archived)
# Who told me to?

(Cane: I love Sushi, Sobriety & Shotokan, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:30, archived)
# I didn't specify you
I assumed you had a good reason to.
But was mentioning it before a bandwagon against such a decent organisation started. Especially in light of their mimicry of Jonti's animation.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:41, archived)
# They certainly don't deserve to be hated for an innocent bit of copying.
That would be completely the wrong reason to hate them.
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:50, archived)
# agreed
without the text above it the pic would've been a good effort, if a little bizarre
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:31, archived)
# Yes, they campaign against failure to anthropomorphise,
except in the case of circuses and so forth, where they campaign against anthropomorphisation that competes with their own version of it.

I still support their right to plagiarise Weebl if they want to, even though they are loathsome in unconnected ways.
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:41, archived)
# Have you actually seen how they encourage people to campaign?
Arson against restaurants and medical laboratories? Not sure I could bring myself to support an organisation that could risk human lives to protect animals. The thing that scares me are the number of people that disagree with this.

In essence, peta are cunts
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:43, archived)
# Pro-test is a cheering thing, though.
www.pro-test.org.uk/
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:46, archived)
# Thats a refreshingly sensible point of view
Maybe if they could get some celebrities to strip off for their cause they might get one tenth of the publicity bloody peta do.
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:51, archived)
# the problem is
they're using cold facts to counter emotive shock tactics. that never works.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:54, archived)
# Unfortunatley
The cold hard facts are that without animal testing many, many people would die and many more would never be able to live their life in the relative comfort that pharmaceuticals would provide them. Unfortunately these facts don't seem emotive enough for some.
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:59, archived)
# But why are singular people more important than the
hundreds of animals that die being tested on? Especially when it's only for 10 more minutes of pain free life?

We all die, if something goes wrong with my heart I wouldn't want a pig slaughtered so that I could have its one.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:01, archived)
# What makes people more special than, say, rocks?
Whatever the answer to that is, it's the same reason.
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:08, archived)
# Its a difficult and very emotive issue
and to be honest, one that I am too heavily involved in to be objective. I work in pharmaceutical research for a bio-tech company specialising in genetic disorders. The products that I work on are enzyme replacement therapies. This means that if you take it, you have a full and normal life, if you don't take it, you will die an excruciating death by the age of 3 or 4. I would kill a lot of rabbits to give a child that.
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:11, archived)
# What if that child grows up to be a murderer
or animal rights activist?


I honestly fail to see why human life is regarded as so important. Something must be broken in me.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:14, archived)
# I think there is something broken in all of us if we post on here. :)
Ask yourself this, if you were walking past a burning building and you hear a dog whimpering and a baby crying, which would you rescue first?
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:17, archived)
# honestly?

If it was someone I knew's child then the child.

Otherwise, couldn't say. I would assume if faced with the situation then instinct would take over and my caveman genes would send me toward the child.

But sitting back thinking about it, neither deserve to die, so they are equal in their need to be saved.
The usual arguement is the child could grow up to be an astrophysisist or a heart surgeon. But as I said before, they could also grow up to be a crack addict that beats me to death for my pension in 40 years.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:22, archived)
#
the alleged caveman genes you shift responsibility to here are just more deeply-held, intuitive values.
This doesn't necessarily make them right, of course.
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:29, archived)
# they're the more animal ones
proving that animals are more important than the self loving, money grabbing idiots the human race has become :D

Out of curiosity I just posed the same question to the missus, wondering if a natural maternal instinct would guide her.
She said grab the baby and call the dog at the same time. A dog of almost any age can look after itself and come when called, babies and people are useless and need you to do it for them.

Again, animals rule :D
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:44, archived)
# Neither of you really want to face the question
of how much you like people compared to dogs.
I suppose that misses the point a bit, though, really. Different kinds of people are excluded (usually) from having the worth of their lives evaluated in a crisis. It's not a matter of how much we like them, but whether it makes sense to fit them into the scheme of equality.
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:50, archived)
# hahhahahaha, yes, we're in denial.
We're more cat people really, I'm not actually a big fan of dogs.
But the question to me may as well honestly be "there are two identical pebbles in a field equally far from you. If you must pick one, which do you go and pick up?"

life is life, the dog could become the pet of an old lady, rescue her from burglars and provide her with years of companionship. The kid could grow up to be the next Prime Minister. Or the dog could die 3 days later from smoke inhalation and the kids could get knocked down by a bus on his 5th birthday.
Neither matter when the end comes and this planet falls in to a Black Hole.
Life is life, enjoy it while you can, no matter what the species.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 11:02, archived)
# What if the choice was a cat versus a dog?

(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 11:06, archived)
# tougher
I would be led by my favouritism to cats in this case. Which is a bad thing.

Could still call for the dog while grabbing the cat though :D
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 11:12, archived)
# I think animal rights
is just a way to rub my nose in human failings. The argument for equality with animals isn't a sincere argument for a better system at all, but just a way to draw attention to people sometimes being bastards.
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 11:26, archived)
# Awww.
This is quite persuasive.
*joins peta*
(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:18, archived)
# What if
It had already been slaughtered to make food, and the heart would go to waste?
(Count Fwapula tragically only has one bum, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:11, archived)
# hahahahah
a) they don't use the same animals.
b) I don't eat pork

:)
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:15, archived)
# The pig...
i'd have it's heart, hell i'd ask them to butcher it up for me take home and eat it. Mmmm...tasty.
(I helped save b3ta! Cliff Apparently enjoys fishing for leopards on weekends, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:57, archived)
# Peta only encourage leafletting and peaceful protests
Animals rights activists who go beyond that are extremists that are worse than those they campaign against.

They are not affiliated with Peta.org
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:47, archived)
# This is peta campaign director Bruce Friedrich in 2001
www.consumerfreedom.com/downloads/reference/audio/010501_bruce_friedrich.wav
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:52, archived)
# Ah, US vs UK Peta have very different approaches.
I've heard some very disturbing things about the US one.

But as I said before, violent extremists are worse than those they campaign against, I believe in everything having a right to live and not be abused, so I'm hardly going to be on his side.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:59, archived)
# Not having a dig at you
You seem to know your stuff. It just scares me the number of people who will blindly give their money to an organisation like peta US and not realise quite how it will be used. peta US have done a very good job of putting a media friendly face on what is actually a rather unsavoury organisation (much like the BNP have tried to do, luckily they found it impossible to stop their tourette's like racist outbursts and ruined the illusion.)
(I helped save b3ta! shambla www.gagaprinthouse.com, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:06, archived)
# I wouldn't give money to Peta US without knowing what they spend it on
And recommend anyone else do the same.

I put pennies in the collection box of people who try to stop the trade of rare birds, foxhunting, bear baiting, and things like that.

I would never condone someone hurting another person for political views.
If we can't sit down and come to a logical agreement on such things then the human race is utterly fucked.
(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast sorted on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:18, archived)
# current evidence
suggests that we as a race can't sit down and come to a logical agreement over anything and much prefer blowing each other up to sitting down, so we probably are, as you say, utterly fucked.
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:36, archived)
# it's not very peaceful
when you have some hippy shouting in your ear with a megaphone at 9 in the bloody morning.
(I helped save b3ta! fross Read your email on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:53, archived)
# I love animals, and I respect that this kind of organisation exists
I pretty much agreed with you when I clicked on their site, but the more I read the more I realised just how far they take it. Just like many organisations that are based around a really important value, they have taken it waaay too far!
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © glows with fuzziness and a twinge of guilt, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:49, archived)
# don't stamp on kittens etc is all good
however they also campaign vehemently for a bunch of other rather more extreme viewpoints - they'd pretty much want an end to farming, meat-eating (full vegan diet in fact. i fucking hate lentils), medicine development and so forth.

more so, their puny "shock tactic" cans of paint, gatecrashing fashion events, etc just make them seem like a bunch of militant lesbian nutbags. people would probably take them more seriously if they approached the issues like adults.
(I helped save b3ta! fross Read your email on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:50, archived)
# Why is "lesbian" a byword for "aggravating"?

(_Felix suspicious character from prehistoric caucasus, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:54, archived)
# less aggravating more... militant
i just know several lesbians who have that extra special "turns up to 11" brand of batshit.
(I helped save b3ta! fross Read your email on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:55, archived)
# sounds like freakish generalisation to me
sorry, but you're making yourself look stupid
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:57, archived)
# it's not even 10am
i AM stupid until i've had some caffeine :)
(I helped save b3ta! fross Read your email on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:58, archived)
# heh
now, i know several lesbians who are like that :D
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:01, archived)
# touche :)
i apologise for picking a word without engaging brain vocabulary. what was i looking for... ah yes, muslim!

*runs*

(cor, opera goes all weird when i try to do an e with an accent, ctrl-alt-e. bah.)
(I helped save b3ta! fross Read your email on, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:04, archived)
# i was being serious though :)
my best mate is all kinds of uncivilised until she's had a coffee
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:10, archived)
# Hahah, a fine excuse
*hides coffee she was just sipping*
*pretends she has that excuse too*
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © glows with fuzziness and a twinge of guilt, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:01, archived)
# I know quite a few who only really have one common trait
...they quite fancy women
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © glows with fuzziness and a twinge of guilt, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:59, archived)
# you know
i've noticed that too
(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 10:02, archived)
# Hahah
I'm sorry, but this
(I helped save b3ta! Jessie © glows with fuzziness and a twinge of guilt, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:55, archived)
# ^this

(I helped save b3ta! mutster101 is not the new Doctor Who, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:56, archived)
# oops.
i love it when this happens.
(I helped save b3ta! god save the queen hardly ever original, Sat 10 Feb 2007, 9:57, archived)