Nigel Farage on TV this morning saying how their campaign was all lies
quelle surprise
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 7:12,
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Famous politician in 'didn't tell the truth' shocker.
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drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 8:00,
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Normally it takes them a bit more than a couple of hours to go back on their promises.
(At least in public)
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MyFrontFellOff ; his mouth full of teddies, urinating defiantly, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 8:03,
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He's new to this whole "victory" thing
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drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 8:38,
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Very happy not to be British today.
A majority of you have shown yourselves to be absolute idiots, it's sad.
Still, at least everyone will now have jobs, houses and can be racist again (so they think).
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 8:51,
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At least we get to vote for the new PM, now we've got power back from the EU. Right?
oh fuck
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buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 8:59,
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Well atleast the economy isn't tanking
fucksocks!
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slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 9:12,
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Well, look on the bright side.
That £350 million pounds a week* which we currently send to the EU will go to the NHS instead.
* A figure consistently debunked by the head of the UK Statistics Authority
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Is that the figure that Farage said was bollocks 1 hour after winning?
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slartifartfast When all around are losing their heads, duck., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 10:03,
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Funnily enough what was £350m five hours ago is devalued to about £170m
so they were right about it in the first place.
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buffet_the_appetite_slayer ٩(●̮̃•)۶ jacked in to the ICE on, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:24,
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I think I now know
how it felt to be an American that didn't vote for Bush.
Some sort of combination of embarrassment/shame/doom.
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admiral crunch holds the newsreader's nose squarely, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 9:15,
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Does it not occur to you
that this kind of sneering, arrogant message is what lost the remain vote?
I actually shut down Twitter and Facebook for this reason, the bien-pensant "don't these ghastly people understand how wrong they are" attitude was so misguided and truly offensive.
I despair of this country when so many people look down their noses at others for not having the same opinion, casting them as racists, bigots and ignorant.
How about trying to bring people on side with a positive message and inclusive reasons? How about listening to them without lecturing and haranguing them?
This should have been a easy win for Remain and they fucked it up royally.
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I've kept my opinions to myself, on here and in public.
Do you think some people posting on B3ta may have lost Remain the vote by voicing opinions on here?
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 10:12,
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I not sure B3ta had much of an influence
it's an echo chamber of liberal opinions.
The problem is that those liberal voices become very illiberal if someone disagrees. I see in the replies to my post we have comments about bigots, racists and Daily Mail readers who are too stupid to vote.
So much for democracy, votes are only for people whose opinions we approve of. If that's not bigotry, then what is?
Time to look into the mirror and realise that it was arrogant, narrow minded attitudes towards the voter that lost it.
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The left loves diversity, as long as it's not diversity of opinion.
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Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:54,
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Do you normally take people off ignore, reply in their threads and then put them back on ignore again?
What's the point in having people on ignore if you're going to do that?
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:05,
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"Time to look into the mirror and realise that it was arrogant, narrow minded attitudes towards the voter that lost it."
And the Leave campaign really approached their targeted voters with the utmost respect for their intelligence and knowledge, not playing up to, fostering and exploiting narrow minded attitudes at all.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:38,
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doesn't matter what leave did
it was up to the remain team to put forward a constructive, positive message to win. Not "if you don't vote remain, we'll punish you with a bastard budget"
A case study in how to turn a forgone victory into defeat. Waste all your time attacking the alternate viewpoints rather than taking to voter with you.
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It does matter what Leave did, they played up to inherent fear and prejudices and told people what they wanted to hear. A constructive, positive message by Remain would only appeal to the people who were already set on remaining, it wasn't about constructive argument or anything else, it was about who could shout the loudest and shout what people wanted to hear.
Remain should have taken a different approach but rationality isn't what people wanted to hear, they couldn't be arsed with economics or anything else, they wanted everything to be simplified and translated as 'all these problems were because of Europe and Johnny Foreigner coming over here etc.'
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:45,
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and in a nutshell you show why remain lost
"rationality isn't what people wanted to hear, they couldn't be arsed with economics or anything else, they wanted everything to be simplified and translated as 'all these problems were because of Europe and Johnny Foreigner coming over here etc.'"
Nice broad brush stroke there, how many voters did you interview before you formed this denigrating opinion?
The majority of voters really, really craved information and advice on which way to vote. Instead they were fed horseshit from both sides and had to guess what to do.
It's a complete failure of politics to inform and advise. It's symptomatic of the disconnect between politicans and who they represent. Blaming the voters by categorising them as simpletons and bigots is why they stuck two fingers up at the elites, both in the UK and Brussels.
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I didn't interview any voters, i didn't have to.
I spend most of my time in the north and to say there isn't a huge blame game with 'foreigners' being responsible for people being unemployed etc. Is to not see the wood for the trees, especially in outer parts of Greater Manchester.
To pretend that people don't have the attitude that it's other's to blame for their own situations is being a bit naive, they were fed horse shit as that's what it was deemed they wanted to be fed, and it worked.
Leave got it right.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 18:05,
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what sort of a positive message would you offer against nazi propaganda and dead MPs in the streets?
'Brown people are great, yeah, and we dont gun down your representatives'
Fucking hell
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errr
Why it's good to be in the EU, what great things will happen in the future. What are the benefits to each individual - you know, all the good stuff that we get from being a member.
Go negative and the reaction is always bad.
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Stuff like keeping the pound and the FTSE at a decent level? Protecting everyones jobs?
Was that message not coming through?
What do you say to people who are willing to vote down a recession upon themselves?
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we have no idea if that will happen
lower pound, exports more attractive. But the truth is no-one knows what will happen next. Even George Soros who creates choas to make money got it wrong, although he probably had a pretty good hedge running.
I was convinced that we would remain, or if it was a narrow leave vote that we would be persuaded to stay. I still think that is possible, but it won't help if we carry on insulting our neighbours for not voting the same way we did.
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pound and FTSE have already plunged
Exports not more attractive if you cant get them as easily into the market place.
All going exactly as the Remain camp claimed it would so far
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Nothing has changed
Its people making money on the markets, they ran exit polls and bet big on this. Everyone expected a drop on a leave vote, you have to wait a while to see where things end up once the spivs have lined their pockets.
Any trade barriers put up will hurt the EU far worse than the UK. Also, we export mostly outside the EU, so noting has changed there. A lot goes through EU ports and looks like EU exports, but it ends up elsewhere.
I would wait and see before claiming the world is collapsing
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You mean there's a chance my job wont disappear and and I will be able to pay my mortgage and feed my family?
Phew!!! I will certainly be waiting and seeing with the greatest of interest. Bated breath here.
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Me too
I work in France for a large French organisation and live in the UK, so I have a very strong interest in what happens next. I also did a lot of checking before the vote and spoke with lawyers.
By the way, the French are even more eurosceptic than the UK. If there wasn't a Brexit, I would have anticipated one of the other EU countries voting to leave. There is a lot of discontent throughout the EU with how Brussels has handled recent crises.
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I did a lot of checking too
I didnt speak to any lawyers but I did have the massed ranks of the world's politicans, economists, historians, constitutional experts, and business people lining up on telly every night for a month telling me it was a bad idea. Nobel prize winners, the lot
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For years any problem with the UK has been blamed by politicians and the media on the EU, from NHS waiting lists to wage stagnation. The positives of EU membership is schrodingers cat...without doing over 40 years without the EU any positive can be seen by opponents as irrelevant.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:10,
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You're right
but the truth is, a lot of people (on both sides) are stupid, short-sighted, and ignorant. That's just the reality of things and there's not much point trying to deny it
What proportion of the British population do you think are actually smart, well-informed, and rational-minded enough that you'd genuinely value their opinion on a subject as important as this?
I reckon less than 10%.
(I count myself as part of the other 90%, by the way)
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Also
there are a lot of racists. Have a look at the DM comments section and the stuff that gets upvoted
https://twitter.com/DMReporter/status/745964921440116736
"wiping these smelly, trouble-making immigrants off the face of the earth" and you've got people piling in to approve.
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The progressive parties' task now is to increase the proportion of smart, well-informed, and rational-minded
Massive investment in education system is only way. Scrap tuition fees, school building program, properly funded, none of that PFI bullshit. Will take generations. Does seem unlikely to happen soon
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Yep.
The things that would make us a better society are things that will only be done by people our current society isn't going to vote for.
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My favourite one I overheard in the kitchen today
"People are too stupid to be allowed to vote. If they can't vote the right way then they shouldn't be allowed to vote at all."
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:09,
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Let's rephrase that
"If people are too stupid to vote, they shouldn't be allowed to vote."
I'm thinking of the hordes of mindless cockweasels that read the gutter press and vote accordingly. And old people who are clearly away with the fairies. "Grandma knows best." No she doesn't, she's always letting dodgy roofers in.
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so who decides?
You? Does democracy now depend on who you approve of?
British people are on the whole very decent. We don't have race riots, we all get along pretty well in the main. We get to spout opinions on B3ta and do stupid pictures making fun of our political leaders. Our legal system is 100% better than that in the EU, innocent until proven guilty and all that. There are a lot, lot worse places to live.
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This was an issue far too complicated to be put to a referendum
That's the problem. Whether you live in Tunbridge Wells or Merthyr Tydfil it's highly unlikely you have a grasp of the true implications of remaining or leaving. Hence the vote was decided on the front pages of the tabloids; hence it's bullshit.
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thecrapgatsby isn't listening LALALALALALA, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:10,
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I agree, there should not have been a referendum
It was far too complex to predict what would happen next, for every downside there is an upside. Pound goes down, our exports are more competitive, but French wine and BMWs cost more. We don't pay into the EU, but instead have to pay for more bureaucrats in Whitehall to replace the ones in Brussels.
Either way it was a voyage into the unknown, so asking the question was pointless and painful. It's set half the population against the other just to avoid losing votes to UKIP.
We have representative democracy so that our MPs decide on things like this. Cameron was a fool for calling it and now he has paid the price.
Of course MPs can ignore the referendum, and that is a potential outcome. No-one on the leave side seems keen to pull the trigger yet, so it may be that more concessions come our way, then we stay in. We shall see, it's not over yet.
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let's wait and see the terms of the new trade deals before we assume our exports are going to be more competitive
Exporters certainly dont seem to think they will
Imports certainly will cost more so the cost of living will rise which will fuck the poor who voted for all this hardest. Well done everyone
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the Germans have already said they'll keep things as they are, there are a lot of EU jobs depending on no trade barriers.
Also, the terms can't be worse than WTO rules, which were not far off EU tariffs.
My guess is not much will change.
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Totally sick of people banging on about democracy...
with a Tory party only 25% of the population voted for. There are shades of democracy and us...with a Queen...a House of Lords don't have what many people think we have, we don't have a referendum on every law. There is an expectation that we elect people to make certain decisions for us...you know because they are meant to know what to do and read up on all the dull facts.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:21,
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so would you say the same if remain had won?
Democracy in the UK is shit, so the result is invalid?
Or would you say "in your face Farage, loser! Democracy prevails!"
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Yes, all of them things apart from the invalid bit.
I just mean it is all democracy, democracy, democracy but once you drill down it is all about boarder controls, foreigners, harking back to a past that never really existed and some mong wanting to get their blue passport back.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:43,
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nobody who voted remain even wanted this vote in the first place
and would have been quite happy if it never happened even if they won it
In fact I think most of the remainers would have been shitting themselves even if they had won, seeing how close they came to the idiots taking over.
"congratulations you won with 52% of the vote. Now enjoy your life in a country where nearly half the population hates your guts."
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mutated monty, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:56,
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A two thirds majority I would grudgingly accept
But just squeaking in over the line like this… too many people are too thick to understand the consequences of their actions.
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Anyone voting one way or another on such an important decision because they feel...
...sneered at...is an idiot.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:01,
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Hopefully this will be a red flag to any Americans complacent about Trump...
...people really do believe what these people say...like a greasy used car salesman.
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transparenttown Dead to worse..., Fri 24 Jun 2016, 9:46,
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yep
welcome to US style trump politics… get the thickos out who normally don’t vote, and get them riled up with an argument based in nationalism and emotion… the death of information… all of our elections will now be fought on “who can shout the loudest” and the “honey pot” for politicians is going to be “the thick, the disenfranchised and intellectually lazy”
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it'll be the opposite, they'll think the brits voted a silly haired man, we should too
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HappyToast Groat froth, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 10:10,
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Owen Wilson has let himself go
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drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Sun 26 Jun 2016, 10:10,
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Although...
Now that the UK is about to leave the EU, there is no longer any reason to have an UK independence party, is there?
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Tusk knows where you live, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 10:29,
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Their single m.p said that they're going after labour voters now.
Time will tell if Labour can reconnect with their traditional voters.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 10:34,
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I bet they replace Corbyn with some fucking Blairite cunt
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Rebel biscuit stercore sumus et nos esse novimus, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:14,
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Can't see the party members voting in a blairite especially as the Chilcot reports about to be released.
Echo!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:21,
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Can't see the party members voting in a blairite especially as the Chilcot reports about to be released.
Echo!
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:21,
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They could use another euphemism.
Sorry, 'phemism.
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Mudface The web isn't callipygian, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 10:36,
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they will just rename it to
"massive nazi wankers party" and continue their real agenda.
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Firkinfedup last shat on your wife's tits at, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 11:26,
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Surely as he's not any sort of government minister, just a loudmouth figurehead
He never should have been asked that question anyway, as it's not his place to give a committed answer?
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Thrill_My_Chinchilla is old and unimproved, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 12:50,
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He's pretty much nobody now.
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Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 14:28,
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It's not his place to make promises either.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 15:40,
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Ok by me.
You ok, titsy? :D
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Fri 24 Jun 2016, 16:37,
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