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This is a normal post Dare suggest a system that has left the people of N.I without representation for 13 months isn't perfect?
How dare she?

The EU tried to weaponize the GFA first by insisting an agreement is made on the border before talking about trade.

Here's a solution.
The UK makes the unilateral decision not to impose a border on their side. If the EU forces Ireland to impose one on their side then that's between them and their masters. It was never a proper border, it's a fucking colander.

The EU's border has even more holes in it. Ireland knows this.
This is why they were happy with free movement between Ireland and the UK but refused to join the Schengen area.

Also if any elected official refuses to take up their posts then impose an automatic by-election.

Right, problem solved.
Can we get on with leaving the fucking eu already?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 14:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hooray!
b3ta.com/links/1470975
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 14:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post

(I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 15:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Linking to another thread where you just post and run?
Not sure that warrants a "hooray".

Now unless things have changed dramatically here you'll abandon this thread whilst a couple of other people jump in on a tangent.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 15:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post you havent got the first clue about the GFA
Your opinion is entirely led by whatever shit Kate Hoey has said that day. So we've gone from 'it's not in danger' to 'would it be so bad if it was in danger?' in the space of 2 months

Breathtaking stupidity really
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're still around? Genuine surprise.
Before we continue please point to where I wrote  'would it be so bad if it was in danger?' 

Edit
Come on Benny, don't be shy. Just point to where I wrote that quote and we can have a lovely chat.

Edit
oh well, back to the usual.
Faced with any sort of debate you scarper.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post >Genuine
i highly doubt that. not very honest you brexiter types, are you?
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're free to doubt it but it's true.
Been in enough "debates" with Benny to see the trend.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post that's no excuse to abandon being genuine for the sake of an egotistical 'win'
your argument should be able to withstand criticism on it's own rights, with or without your ego in tow.
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post How on earth have I abandoned being genuine?

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post come on cherub - did you *genuinely* expect 'benny' not to be still around?

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post ok

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Why do you always play the man instead of the ball?
You haven't addressed any of the points made in his opinion, merely claimed it to be someone else's.

You've also insulted the guy personally twice, for no apparent reason.

Have you ever actually managed to take a position which you support with facts without undermining your argument with fallacies and emotionally charged attacks on people? I'd be genuinely interested in a single example link where you have done so.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post we went through the facts in exhaustive detail 18 months ago
Do try and keep up
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post So, in summary,
No, you're not going to provide that link. Instead you make an oblique reference prior conversations you had (yet somehow unable to provide a link to), and a tacit insinuation that my lack of participation in that conversation somehow puts me at fault, yet again playing the man and not the ball.

Anyone else? Surely someone has witnessed Benny actually making a point, with supplied evidence, which he didn't tarnish with insults?
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post like a finger pointing at the moon

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post One man's tarnish is another's embellishment I guess
You massive fanny
 (benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's ok to admit defeat mate.
But there's an art to doing it gracefully.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post >defeat
it's not a competition. three score and twenty if you're lucky and that's it. how about a bit of cooperation instead?
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 21:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post The thing is,
any attempt to find common ground is thwarted because he never seems to actually be interested in having a discussion.

He appears only to want to stick it to those he perceives as fascists, and receive a welcoming round of applause in response from an appreciative echo chamber.

I wasn't actually trying to defeat anyone, merely trying to coax something good out of him by pointing out its all been 100% ad hominem from him so far, and by inviting him to actually join in (since he appears to be so passionate about it all). He just did the same thing again, presumably intentionally to thumb his nose at the notion of debating properly, which I interpreted as essentially waving a white flag.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 21:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post but if you encounter an on goning echo chamber
where everyone appears to be enjoying the circle jerk sometimes all you can do is throw in a hand grenade to see what's survived the shrapnel blast and observe from a safe distance whilst considering your next move. why the conflict? why is it so hard to help each other out with understanding? why so adversarial? ego? there appears to be a common goal in mind from all parties. *posted before your edit
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 21:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post
www.youtube.com/watch?v=0heW5B4MP54
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 15:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post :/

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post your most sensible comment on 'brexit' thus far

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 16:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post :(

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post i know them feels... welcome to the fold cherub

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have they sorted out the radioisotope issue?

(I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 15:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nope.
Nor aviation.

They've sorted out the colour of our passports though.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post
People in this country have had enough of cancer screening
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 22:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post And cheap flights

(I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 23:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's the same with tarriffs
The UK does not have to put tariffs on any imported goods if it doesn't want to. The WTO recommended tariffs are not compulsory. A cliff edge Brexit ASAP please.
 (I helped save b3ta! CanonCaliber A big bore, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post You idiot

(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post
www.b3ta.com/links/1477918
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post bit needy m8

(benito vaselini no not that one, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sorry if debating a topic that you started scares you.
I assume that's why you just insult people and run.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post bit passive aggressive m8
surely you are able to discuss a subject that interests you so without resorting to ad hominem? - google auto correct suggests eminem ffs - so maybe not
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hey I tried, even when being insulted I kept it civil.
Curious as to why you don't have an issue with his ad hominems though.

He's insulted or spoke down to several members in this thread alone.

Edit
Post deleter!
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah, got carried away - pesky faeries

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post Accidents happen.
Lucky for you I had the page open in another tab so managed to recover it for you.

" they are often backed up with verifiable sources rather than opinion pieces

calling stupid stupid is uncivil but often factually correct, or at least evidence based."

Yeah I would have deleted that too.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's cool being able to admit your mistakes with humility innit, cherub?

(I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 19:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post hey, i tried
genuinely
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post I know you probably agree with him politically more often than not,
and I know he's not the only one who does it, but seriously go back and look at Benny's posting history, and objectively compare it to those of other folk whose opinions you probably disagree with more often.

You'll find he has made more ad hominem attacks than anyone else here,(including Pru), and he starts debates then runs away, but he gets a free pass because he'll happily have a pop at the Tories and everyone here loves a good pop at the Tories.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post point taken - i ain't no angel neever
who's keeping score? that's my point - you have to hold yourself to account also. *edit - that's a royal 'you' as in 'we'
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 18:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not an angel no, but you are endlessly smug and inexplicably have a superiority complex that is quite baffling.
The constant links to XKCD strips is not in the least bit tedious, and doesn't betray the obsession of an adolescent mind.
 (I helped save b3ta! Prufrock Lucifer, son of the morning!, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 20:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post interesting
*takes notes*
tell me about your mother
 (I helped save b3ta! artifus is doing it all wrong, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 21:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Fair enough... I have used some invalid debating techniques in the past,
but with quantitative and qualitative differences; it happens much less regularly, and if it's pointed out to me I'll be forced to admit my error rather than doubling down, Trump style.
 (eViLegion Chief Commissioner of the Scottish Lunacy Board, Tue 20 Feb 2018, 21:43, , Reply)