The Swiss Government's Remarkable Report on Homeopathic Medicine
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In late 2011, the Swiss government's report on homeopathic medicine represents the most comprehensive evaluation of homeopathic medicine ever written by a government and was just published in book form in English (Bornhoft and Matthiessen, 2011).
This breakthrough report affirmed that homeopathic treatment is both effective and cost-effective and that homeopathic treatment should be reimbursed by Switzerland's national health insurance program..
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In late 2011, the Swiss government's report on homeopathic medicine represents the most comprehensive evaluation of homeopathic medicine ever written by a government and was just published in book form in English (Bornhoft and Matthiessen, 2011).
This breakthrough report affirmed that homeopathic treatment is both effective and cost-effective and that homeopathic treatment should be reimbursed by Switzerland's national health insurance program..
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I read a quote from a GP once
That Homeopathy is the most effective treatment for Hypochondria (in a serious way, not in a jokey way).
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That Homeopathy is the most effective treatment for Hypochondria (in a serious way, not in a jokey way).
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I was at a talk by a GP once who said you shouldn't believe all GPs say as he could find you one
who supported the Nazi party or believed that we'd never been to the moon or touched children in wrong ways.
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who supported the Nazi party or believed that we'd never been to the moon or touched children in wrong ways.
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yeah
a doctor I know said similar - something about how he can't prescribe a placebo but that's sometimes exactly what he wants to do and homeopathy is backdoor route to doing exactly that.
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a doctor I know said similar - something about how he can't prescribe a placebo but that's sometimes exactly what he wants to do and homeopathy is backdoor route to doing exactly that.
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So the NHS spends millions on quack medicine
because GPs aren't adept enough at their jobs to tell some of their patients that they don't need pills? Yay for evidence based medicine!
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because GPs aren't adept enough at their jobs to tell some of their patients that they don't need pills? Yay for evidence based medicine!
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Sadly the patients don't believe the evidence
so want some magic pills, so give them some water and off they go happy and cured
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so want some magic pills, so give them some water and off they go happy and cured
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Sad isn't it?
And when you factor in GPs time and the like it's not that clear cut, but knowing millions are being spent on this nonsense when (for example) paramedics are losing their jobs does royally piss me off
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And when you factor in GPs time and the like it's not that clear cut, but knowing millions are being spent on this nonsense when (for example) paramedics are losing their jobs does royally piss me off
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im not saying i
support homeopathy, but you do not understand placebo.
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support homeopathy, but you do not understand placebo.
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to sum up its cost effective because placebo costs nothing to produce but the placebo effect works.
Does homeopathic have any real method of action?
No does it bollocks
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Does homeopathic have any real method of action?
No does it bollocks
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my friend was on a homeopathic treatment but he stopped taking the pills and promptly died of an overdose
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This was posted a few days ago and I found it pretty surprising
Does anyone have a link to the actual report (although maybe it costs money to access), or at least some discussion of the statistical analysis they used?
I would be even more surprised if it's the case that they found homeopathy to perform significantly better than placebo while taking into account the total lack of theoretical support for homeopathic treatment and the low prior probability of effects of homeopathic treatment.
This same thing came up barely one year ago when a psychologist doing a similar project looking for psychic abilities in humans found positive outcomes: www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/science/11esp.html
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Does anyone have a link to the actual report (although maybe it costs money to access), or at least some discussion of the statistical analysis they used?
I would be even more surprised if it's the case that they found homeopathy to perform significantly better than placebo while taking into account the total lack of theoretical support for homeopathic treatment and the low prior probability of effects of homeopathic treatment.
This same thing came up barely one year ago when a psychologist doing a similar project looking for psychic abilities in humans found positive outcomes: www.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/science/11esp.html
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I'm open minded in the "Is it Bollocks" debate...
The nipper is 5 months old and is teething. She's been very grumpy, rubbing her face, and crying a lot. We tried the teething gel which only lasted a few minutes, and infant liquid paracetamol which I don't want to give her loads of because of her immature liver and kidneys. So I tried homoeopathy. After giving her some of the salts, she calmed right down. Now each time she gets grotty with her teeth we give her some and it seems to do the trick. I just found it interesting, as at her age she's not aware of the placebo effect, yet still benefited from the remedy.
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The nipper is 5 months old and is teething. She's been very grumpy, rubbing her face, and crying a lot. We tried the teething gel which only lasted a few minutes, and infant liquid paracetamol which I don't want to give her loads of because of her immature liver and kidneys. So I tried homoeopathy. After giving her some of the salts, she calmed right down. Now each time she gets grotty with her teeth we give her some and it seems to do the trick. I just found it interesting, as at her age she's not aware of the placebo effect, yet still benefited from the remedy.
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The thing about Homeopathy is that there is nothing in it..
The thing about Homeopathy is that there is nothing in it. I mean really nothing in it. No salts just nothing at all. Even Homeopaths accept that after Homeopathic dilutions there is absolutely nothing left of the original active substance.
It is one thing to be open-minded, it is another to accept that taking essentially a 'nothing' remedy is going to help a medical condition.
I suggest you watch this ... www.youtube.com/user/JamesRandiFoundation#p/u/53/SMukj31qw1U
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The thing about Homeopathy is that there is nothing in it. I mean really nothing in it. No salts just nothing at all. Even Homeopaths accept that after Homeopathic dilutions there is absolutely nothing left of the original active substance.
It is one thing to be open-minded, it is another to accept that taking essentially a 'nothing' remedy is going to help a medical condition.
I suggest you watch this ... www.youtube.com/user/JamesRandiFoundation#p/u/53/SMukj31qw1U
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Weird
Maybe it is the sensation of nomming the stuff that calms her down then? I really don't know.
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Maybe it is the sensation of nomming the stuff that calms her down then? I really don't know.
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Homeopathy defenders often cite effects on babies and animals
Homeopathy defenders often cite effects on babies and animals as proof that it must work because the patient is unaware of the treatment. The fact is, that placebo effect can work by proxy. A concerned parent worried about a child (I know, I have 3 kids, the youngest only 7 weeks old) can transmit that worry by voice, gesture and facial expression. Giving the child a remedy of any kind gives a feeling that you are doing something to help. That reduces your stress/ worry factor and the infant will pick up on that. Also... very often a child's symptoms will calm down naturally without intervention. If that happens to coincide with the treatment, then it is a strong emotional human desire to interpret correlation as cure.
I'm an open minded and inquisitive person. I always make my own mind up about things, but to say you are open minded about Homeopathy (at least from an evidence-based standpoint) is roughly equivalent to saying you are open minded about the existence of the Easter Bunny.
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Homeopathy defenders often cite effects on babies and animals as proof that it must work because the patient is unaware of the treatment. The fact is, that placebo effect can work by proxy. A concerned parent worried about a child (I know, I have 3 kids, the youngest only 7 weeks old) can transmit that worry by voice, gesture and facial expression. Giving the child a remedy of any kind gives a feeling that you are doing something to help. That reduces your stress/ worry factor and the infant will pick up on that. Also... very often a child's symptoms will calm down naturally without intervention. If that happens to coincide with the treatment, then it is a strong emotional human desire to interpret correlation as cure.
I'm an open minded and inquisitive person. I always make my own mind up about things, but to say you are open minded about Homeopathy (at least from an evidence-based standpoint) is roughly equivalent to saying you are open minded about the existence of the Easter Bunny.
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It is fairly well accepted
that there is such a thing as the placebo effect by proxy. The placebo effect is happening to you - you give the child the 'medicine' and you notice a change in its behaviour. Things you would not have noticed before suddenly become the 'medicine' doing something.
I would suggest that it's the opposite of the fizzy pop experiments. Give a child some fizzy pop and the parent will see them becoming 'hyperactive'. But the child's behaviour doesn't actually change. It is just the parent's perception. Things that they usually wouldn't notice become shining examples of how they have become hyperactive.
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that there is such a thing as the placebo effect by proxy. The placebo effect is happening to you - you give the child the 'medicine' and you notice a change in its behaviour. Things you would not have noticed before suddenly become the 'medicine' doing something.
I would suggest that it's the opposite of the fizzy pop experiments. Give a child some fizzy pop and the parent will see them becoming 'hyperactive'. But the child's behaviour doesn't actually change. It is just the parent's perception. Things that they usually wouldn't notice become shining examples of how they have become hyperactive.
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I'll just offer this...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFvJSlFebvU
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFvJSlFebvU
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If you want a good laugh at Homeopathy...
www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=BWE1tH93G9U
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