I Woke Up Gay
Docu about that lad that went from a 19 stone womanising rugby player to an emo haired uber cliche gay guy after he had a stroke.
I must admit like most, I was extremely sceptical when I first heard this story, but having watched this documentary, ignoring the fact the docu focuses firmly on the 'Only gay in the village' viewpoint of the story in order to make it more entertaining, I believe he believes it, which for all intent n purposes makes it true, regardless of any other opinions, medical or otherwise, if it's real to him, then surely, it is.
Most interesting part for me: His own boyf doesn't seem to believe it!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 8:46,
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It is somewhat fnarr fnarr isn't it?
Hard to take seriously. Especially looking like that.
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 8:53,
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He didn't waKe up gay
He woke up not lying to himself anymore, his ex girlfriend thinks he was gay all along
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I'm going to have this gong through my head all day, now:
I might Be Gay.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE7fflraCpY&feature=player_detailpage#t=2s
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Amadeus I care not for your thoughts on grammer, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:17,
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That's what I reckon.
He just needed a good/crazy plan to announce it.
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Fray Brentos www.youparklikeacunt.com, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:15,
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It could easily be either
but equally I think we're a tad too inclined to be scared at the possibility that sexuality can change in men, as it's such a big deal in most cultures folks feel the need to hang onto the idea that it absolutely cannot be altered nor be a choice, which is most certainly true for the majority, but it's not beyond possibility that a stroke could change someone's brain sufficiently to cause someone who had some suppressed gay tendencies he wasn't previously aware of to not only surface but suddenly find them becoming their norm, which could be the case here.
Either way, and whatever others prefer to believe, it's still perfectly possible that to him, it's true, and I happen to believe he definitely believes it, and he's certainly doing it, or as he puts it to the doc telling him it can't be true, 'but here I am', and personally, I say, ok fuggit and good luck to him.
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:21,
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the strength of a mans delusion
does not reflect how much it should be believed by others.
oh and also "that a stroke could change someone's brain sufficiently to cause someone who had some suppressed gay tendencies he wasn't previously aware of to not only surface but suddenly find them becoming their norm, which could be the case here."
thats pretty much what we are saying... he was a repressed gay, had a stroke, lost repression.
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Yup, I know, I just thought I was making it clearer that interpretation of the event is in many ways irrelevant to the end result,
and it doesn't mean he's lying about it to himself, you can go with either argument with the same result.
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:00,
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I used to go out with a girl
whose Dad (that I and all her friends had known for years) suddenly one day decided he was gay. He moved out, got a boyfriend, and started hitting gay clubs with gusto.
He was an obstetrician mind, having delivered over 2000 babies may have had something to do with it...
(, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:39, Reply)
Hahaha!
And did he go über gay!?
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:46,
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not really
but he developed a 'camp edge' is the best I can describe it. A little tang to the voice and a certain looseness in the wrist.
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Interestingly when I went to Germany I noticed pretty much all men have that
They seem to not go thru the 'macho reputation' thing during the teens over there, no walking like a horse hung monkey to impress your mates or anything, they all move loose n laugh freely even when sober, hence all men look a tad camp to our eyes.
Confused the heck out of me at first, I was sat in a restaurant thinking I'd stumbled upon an all-gay eating establishment!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 11:02,
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He does seem to have gone to town in the gay shop doesn't he?
Not just fancying men but he's verging full on Gok.
I wonder if he's still going to be able to play the biscuit game down the rugby club?
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Amadeus I care not for your thoughts on grammer, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:01,
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I thought Gok too
Even has the same earring.
I've seen a few guys do the 'Biggest n best gay I can be!!' thing when they've been closet for a bit then come out, I guess it's a way of proving to people it's true, not sure what it means in this instance, prolly the same, but yeh, he's really doing his best to tick every box in the 'I am what I am' out & proud list at the mo!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:10,
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If a jobs worth doing, it's worth doing right.
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Amadeus I care not for your thoughts on grammer, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:15,
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At the end of the show...
he looks at some pictures of himself before the stroke and says something like 'You can tell that these are pictures of a straight man.' So somehow the stroke seems to have given him the ability to tell if someone is gay from looking at some pictures!
I kinda wish someone would sit him down and say, 'you know, you can be gay and not be camp.'
I'm gay and I think I would much rather hang around his old rugby mates than with him.
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Agreed
But as I just said above, a lot of guys when first coming out go a bit mental about being the biggest goddamn über poof money can buy! They tend to calm down a bit once everyone stops questioning it.
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:12,
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That's because there's more of them, isn't it?
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Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:23,
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I *bet* you would.
You dirty bitch
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Tab Hunter NEXT SHOUT OF "GC" GETS A PUNISHMENT BUMMING ON, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:39,
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He was convinced wasn't he!
I do wonder, as one of the effects of a stroke can be a loss of inhibition, if he just came to terms with who he was and felt confident enough then to come out. He needs to sort his hair out mind.
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver is eating a Banana Mouskouri, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:15,
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I totally believe he believes it
as such, all other arguments become irrelevant, really.
Course, sometime in the future, he might calm down a bit n have a rethink, see it as a tad less black n white, but most younger guys are pretty full on with their sex lives n what their dick twitches to so it'll be years before he can look at himself more subjectively, I'd have thought.
Even then you could argue he's just eventually bowing to public opinion n the result doesn't change, only the interpretation of his transition. It does create some fascinating discussion starters, if nothing else!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:33,
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It must be difficult
when he is so convinced and others are not. I guess it doesn't help that his memory is hazy about what he was like before the stroke.
It will be interesting to see what happens to him in the future!
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Herb Alpert's Taxi Driver is eating a Banana Mouskouri, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:57,
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Again, you could argue he had both sexualities inside him and the dominant heterosexual side got burnt out
leaving the previously weak gay side to take over completely. A lot of guys who live quite happily as straight do have a bit of a curiosity about 'the dark side' and it's perfectly possible this could have been something he might have explored naturally in his later years without the need for a stroke to have been the catalyst, but no way could a man with strong memories of finding women sexually attractive make such a solid switch, so maybe this is all this is, the old memories being eradicated.
I kinda hope at some point those memories come back to him just to see what he feels about them after living a solidly gay lifestyle for a while. Not many people, if any, can genuinely explore both sides, it would be interesting to be able to ask such a guy which he thought was better!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:11,
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I've been tempted to get a blow-job off a ladyboy
does that count?
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Welcome to 'ignore', you massive ballbag.
(not really, apart from the 'ballbag' bit)
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Tab Hunter NEXT SHOUT OF "GC" GETS A PUNISHMENT BUMMING ON, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 11:15,
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*blushes*
Thanks, it is quite sizable. It's just a great shame the contents make it resemble a pair of tomatoes in a wet binliner :-(
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You put the "grown up cover" on a harry potter book, you're still reading a harry potter book.
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Amadeus I care not for your thoughts on grammer, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:50,
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All mouths feel the same!
And to use a football analogy, it's gotta help your skills with the ball if you already owned one yourself for a while! ;)
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:53,
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Does this mean that if they operate early enough,
or perhaps administer an anti-clotting drug early enough, they might finally be able to cure "gay" ?
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In the docu one doc says he knows of a case of some guy going the other way
So...
The real issue about being gay has never been whether it CAN be cured but why we feel we need to, and is it in the best interests of the 'patient' or purely 'cos to those on the other side it's personally abhorrent, do they even want to change, Kris seems happier in his new form, tho I have sometimes wondered, if a guy really really wasn't happy and wanted to try and change, would we assist him, or force him to accept what he currently is, and is that for his comfort or ours?
On the latter, which way round would we be happier assisting a man to try and change?
Also, why don't we care when it's a woman?
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 9:55,
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It is rather an interesting philosophical point
going a bit further...if it were possible, if a person wanted to change badly enough, should a "mental Strappadictomi" be provided on the NHS?
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I think it could be done y'know, theoretically,
you would have to remove all previous memories of any sexual encounters without totally destroying ALL their previous memories, then somehow introduce a false memory of the required implanted sexuality being pleasurable to the patient, as well as somehow diminishing their natural dominant sexuality from then denying it. Not fecking easy!
I think turning a chap temporarily bi is actually pretty simple, an old joke is, 'What's the difference between being straight and gay? About 4 pints and an E!', and I've seen it happen, enough drugs n every holes a goal lets face it, but you simply couldn't genuinely flip a guys sexuality entirely nor for any length of time unless you did some SERIOUS brain alteration, IMO.
And is it worth the risk?
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:25,
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"E's and beer on the NHS!"
I think this is a campaign I could get behind.
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Hahaha!
A ward full of beds showing gay n straight porn as appropriate to the side you want to switch to, pop your hallucinogen and with a big enough screen it'll be like a porn holo deck, pick the appropriate door and 'Enter when ready!', exit thru the other side once your pills worn off, where the appropriate gender of nurse, a viagra, and a few pints of beer will assist you in testing to see if it worked!
Guys who go both ways could go in every other week just for the free tush! Lol!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:42,
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Haha, you've given me a very surreal mental Carry On Gay Doctoring style image
I wonder if the "Gay Holodeck" could be the next topic for "What's on Spock's Scannerscope?"
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My work here is done! ;)
Seriously tho, I gotta stop nattering n get on with something! Bye folks!
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WiL Pantheist Bi Polar Polyamoric Pansexual, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 11:21,
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Wow. He really did fall off the top of the gay tree, hitting every gay branch on the way down.
And then landed on a gay guy
...and did him.
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Tab Hunter NEXT SHOUT OF "GC" GETS A PUNISHMENT BUMMING ON, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 10:51,
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He was so far in the closet he was being tag fucked by Aslan and Mr Tumnus
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Agnostic Antichrist Baltimora, Thu 19 Apr 2012, 11:06,
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