Yep , they've been killing each other for years -and most likely they will continue to do so
As to the 'smug, liberal atheists' thing - I have never been called a liberal before! As an atheist I find it hard to understand religious fanaticism (or religion per se) can't see how that makes me or my views smug but there y'go.
I agree. it has been going on for ages, I agree the real reasons are lost in the tangle of religious hatred and mutual distrust but the irony is, both Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic faiths, with the same god.
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As to the 'smug, liberal atheists' thing - I have never been called a liberal before! As an atheist I find it hard to understand religious fanaticism (or religion per se) can't see how that makes me or my views smug but there y'go.
I agree. it has been going on for ages, I agree the real reasons are lost in the tangle of religious hatred and mutual distrust but the irony is, both Judaism and Islam are both Abrahamic faiths, with the same god.
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from one atheist to another...
distilling this whole middle east shitstorm down to 'religon' is beyond facile, it's off the fucking scale fatuous. and as for your 'i just don't get it, they're both Abrahimic faiths' line, that's plain ignorant. know your enemy.
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distilling this whole middle east shitstorm down to 'religon' is beyond facile, it's off the fucking scale fatuous. and as for your 'i just don't get it, they're both Abrahimic faiths' line, that's plain ignorant. know your enemy.
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Religion isn't my enemy
The power struggles over Israel/Palestine are historically significant, when the area had what lots of people wanted, everyone wanted to control the area. Now there's nothing there worth killing for except the history.
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The power struggles over Israel/Palestine are historically significant, when the area had what lots of people wanted, everyone wanted to control the area. Now there's nothing there worth killing for except the history.
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'when the area had what lots of people wanted'
elaborate on this and enlighten me, Israel and Palestine have never been significant oil producers so i don't know what you're talking about.
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elaborate on this and enlighten me, Israel and Palestine have never been significant oil producers so i don't know what you're talking about.
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Huge mystical significance to three of the major religious faiths of the world?
The place is littered with 'holy' places precious to all of them, that ultimately are but motes of gravel and dust
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The place is littered with 'holy' places precious to all of them, that ultimately are but motes of gravel and dust
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i guess it really is just about religon then...
that and motes of gravel and dust. mote is a new word for me. i thank you, although i think you used it tautologically.
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that and motes of gravel and dust. mote is a new word for me. i thank you, although i think you used it tautologically.
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Haha
I was trying to sound deep and thoughtful
Some fat, bald bloke said this long ago. Carl Sagan said more or less the same thing more recently in a Pale Blue Dot:
"Buddha said: "I consider the positions of kings and rulers as that of dust motes. I observe treasures of gold and gems as so many bricks and pebbles. I look upon the finest silken robes as tattered rags. I see myriad worlds of the universe as small seeds of fruit, and the greatest lake in India as a drop of oil on my foot. I perceive the teachings of the world to be the illusion of magicians. I discern the highest conception of emancipation as a golden brocade in a dream, and view the holy path of the illuminated ones as flowers appearing in one's eyes. I see meditation as a pillar of a mountain, Nirvana as a nightmare of daytime. I look upon the judgment of right and wrong as the serpentine dance of a dragon, and the rise and fall of beliefs as but traces left by the four seasons."
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I was trying to sound deep and thoughtful
Some fat, bald bloke said this long ago. Carl Sagan said more or less the same thing more recently in a Pale Blue Dot:
"Buddha said: "I consider the positions of kings and rulers as that of dust motes. I observe treasures of gold and gems as so many bricks and pebbles. I look upon the finest silken robes as tattered rags. I see myriad worlds of the universe as small seeds of fruit, and the greatest lake in India as a drop of oil on my foot. I perceive the teachings of the world to be the illusion of magicians. I discern the highest conception of emancipation as a golden brocade in a dream, and view the holy path of the illuminated ones as flowers appearing in one's eyes. I see meditation as a pillar of a mountain, Nirvana as a nightmare of daytime. I look upon the judgment of right and wrong as the serpentine dance of a dragon, and the rise and fall of beliefs as but traces left by the four seasons."
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this is GC from a week ago...
but i think the man represents Israel and the woman Palestine, or it could be the other way around, not quite as highbrow as your reference but hey ho.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVBYwntkiFA
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but i think the man represents Israel and the woman Palestine, or it could be the other way around, not quite as highbrow as your reference but hey ho.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVBYwntkiFA
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