more race based distraction tactics, you clearly don't have a leg to stand on
what if it was a white kid avoiding a white gang home invasion
How big a gun should that child be entitled to to defend himself against lets say 5 imaginary intruders?
What if the kids attacking only have knives? should the kid put the gun away first or should he give them guns too to make things even?
What if the kids attacking don't enter the property but shoot at it with a rocket launcher, should the poor kid (black or white) get government funding for anti rocket defences and maybe some rpgs of his own?
the solution is remove them all, not give out more.
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HappyToast nevermind eh,, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:26,
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Race is not a distraction. Look at the statistics: non-whites suffer most. May not mean anything to you.
Why should anyone, black or white, have to suffer the trauma of a home invasion? If someone is using a knife, that is lethal force. I would shoot him because if you're trying to kill, you don't get to determine the response. (It's like the old movies where the tough guy got beat up by a karate dude and said that kicking was "girlie". The best practice is not to mess with another human to make yourself look tough or you could end up dead).
Again, if you can remove all guns from the world, guarantee that the cartels and gangs are disarmed and that the currently porous borders of the US will not allow any further gun transfers from profiteers in other countries, then we have a starting point.
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:33,
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but almost all (if not all) of these guns are made in the United States.
the US has something like half of all the world's guns.
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:37,
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Actually, the talking clock told me that arms are made all over
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufacturers
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:42,
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Mexico: 1
Canada: 4
USA: 51
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:47,
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But the guns that do the most damage among the cartels are not manufactured in either Canada or Mexico
Usually China, Bulgaria, or some other AK 47 hotspot.
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:49,
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I'm trying to find out. I got this so far:
Is gun theft a part of the illegal gun problem?
Yes, gun theft is one of the ways guns are diverted to the illegal market. The ATF reports that over 13,000 guns are lost or stolen from dealers nationwide each year. Estimates show that as many as 32% of crime guns are acquired through theft.5 6
www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/about/faq.shtml
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57,
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"According to ATF data, 70 percent of firearms recovered and traced in drug cartel crimes in Mexico originated from the United States."
www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/may/29/jim-moran/jim-moran-says-70-percent-traced-firearms-mexican-/
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:12,
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Probably already been posted here
Fancy graphic thing showing trade routes for guns and ammo
workshop.chromeexperiments.com/projects/armsglobe/?ModPagespeed=noscript
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Lanc Weekend Trailer Park Supervisor, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:45,
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pooey I don't have WebGL
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:48,
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www.chrome.com
It is import/export. Useful for that purpose.
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:50,
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There are some compelling stats which indicate this works both ways
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Characteristics_of_offenders
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DinivanX Too old for my own good, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:44,
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Be careful, bringing up race might make someone doubt your sanity.
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:45,
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Honestly I doubt my sanity posting that
...but the crime problems being highlighted (victim OR perpetrator) are because of deprivation and lack of opportunity ... not of race.
It just so happens that due to social ills and long-standing inequalities in the US (and UK) that non-whites are more likely to be born into deprivation and poverty.
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DinivanX Too old for my own good, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:49,
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There are tomes written on that.
The claimed solutions for the social ills have only seemed to worsen the problem.
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:52,
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so just shrug your shoulders and keep up the arms race.
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:54,
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You can mock, but I am active in my community and have worked in government to attempt to change it.
I harbor no illusion that my efforts are small, but I keep working at it.
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BrokenCoccyx get your hands off macaque, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57,
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Well good luck to you,
I don't want to disparage your efforts and I think we in the UK lead relatively sheltered lives and don't really appreciate the sort of fear you encounter every day, nevertheless I don't think "more guns" is the answer to any of these problems.
As your lot say, "guns don't kill people, people do," well, that's true, they kill people WITH guns though, but I suppose ultimately it's poverty and broken society that kills people.
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:02,
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Well thats because the solutions always come from outside the affected communities
If "Da Man" has fucked you over your entire life why would you listen to "Da Man" when he says he has a solution to "your" problem
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DinivanX Too old for my own good, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:56,
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I tell you what they should do,
the next time they just print a shedload of money to give to the banks for being rubbish banks, they should just give it to poor people instead. They want more consumer spending, don't they?
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:09,
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But you're not allowed to help them out of it,
because that would be COMMUNISM.
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Moon Girl Technologies don't take my word for anything, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:53,
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dude
that's fucking lame. you're desperately trying to build a strawman by hinting that happytoast is racist. get a fucking grip. disagree with people but use proper arguments. you're an intelligent man and ought to know better
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tickle i love hip hop, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:53,
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Hey, Handsome! He tried to imply <i>I</i> was racist FIRST.
But oh no, I'm not a mod, so I'm just ignored....*sniff*
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Tab Hunter You used to call me sadness...., Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:16,
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