
what if it was a white kid avoiding a white gang home invasion
How big a gun should that child be entitled to to defend himself against lets say 5 imaginary intruders?
What if the kids attacking only have knives? should the kid put the gun away first or should he give them guns too to make things even?
What if the kids attacking don't enter the property but shoot at it with a rocket launcher, should the poor kid (black or white) get government funding for anti rocket defences and maybe some rpgs of his own?
the solution is remove them all, not give out more.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:26, Reply)

Why should anyone, black or white, have to suffer the trauma of a home invasion? If someone is using a knife, that is lethal force. I would shoot him because if you're trying to kill, you don't get to determine the response. (It's like the old movies where the tough guy got beat up by a karate dude and said that kicking was "girlie". The best practice is not to mess with another human to make yourself look tough or you could end up dead).
Again, if you can remove all guns from the world, guarantee that the cartels and gangs are disarmed and that the currently porous borders of the US will not allow any further gun transfers from profiteers in other countries, then we have a starting point.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:33, Reply)

the US has something like half of all the world's guns.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:37, Reply)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufacturers
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:42, Reply)

Usually China, Bulgaria, or some other AK 47 hotspot.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:49, Reply)

Is gun theft a part of the illegal gun problem?
Yes, gun theft is one of the ways guns are diverted to the illegal market. The ATF reports that over 13,000 guns are lost or stolen from dealers nationwide each year. Estimates show that as many as 32% of crime guns are acquired through theft.5 6
www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/about/faq.shtml
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57, Reply)

www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/may/29/jim-moran/jim-moran-says-70-percent-traced-firearms-mexican-/
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:12, Reply)

Fancy graphic thing showing trade routes for guns and ammo
workshop.chromeexperiments.com/projects/armsglobe/?ModPagespeed=noscript
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:45, Reply)

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Characteristics_of_offenders
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:44, Reply)

( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:45, Reply)

...but the crime problems being highlighted (victim OR perpetrator) are because of deprivation and lack of opportunity ... not of race.
It just so happens that due to social ills and long-standing inequalities in the US (and UK) that non-whites are more likely to be born into deprivation and poverty.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:49, Reply)

The claimed solutions for the social ills have only seemed to worsen the problem.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:52, Reply)

I harbor no illusion that my efforts are small, but I keep working at it.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57, Reply)

I don't want to disparage your efforts and I think we in the UK lead relatively sheltered lives and don't really appreciate the sort of fear you encounter every day, nevertheless I don't think "more guns" is the answer to any of these problems.
As your lot say, "guns don't kill people, people do," well, that's true, they kill people WITH guns though, but I suppose ultimately it's poverty and broken society that kills people.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:02, Reply)

If "Da Man" has fucked you over your entire life why would you listen to "Da Man" when he says he has a solution to "your" problem
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:56, Reply)

the next time they just print a shedload of money to give to the banks for being rubbish banks, they should just give it to poor people instead. They want more consumer spending, don't they?
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:09, Reply)

because that would be COMMUNISM.
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:53, Reply)

that's fucking lame. you're desperately trying to build a strawman by hinting that happytoast is racist. get a fucking grip. disagree with people but use proper arguments. you're an intelligent man and ought to know better
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:53, Reply)

But oh no, I'm not a mod, so I'm just ignored....*sniff*
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:16, Reply)

you're a massive racist so it was less of a deal...
( , Wed 9 Jan 2013, 23:19, Reply)