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This is a link post I know b3ta loves a good kickstarter project, so here's my mates'
A bunch of incredibly talented film & TV students at York University (including my flatmate) are looking for funding for their 3rd year project. It's a short film called 'The Painter and the Thief', entirely written, directed, edited, produced etc by students. They've managed to raise £5000 of their own money so far, but being lowly students, they need the help of the public in order to make a properly slick production.
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 10:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Pffft.
In my day you got 50 quid and a crappy VHS camcorder to make a student film. And grateful we were too!
inserts joke about TV being all "fields" back then. Geddit? Meh.
 (I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 10:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Luxury!
In my day you got given a ski mask, a half brick and directions to the nearest Rumbelows.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 10:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post you lucky bastard i wish i'd had it like that.
they showed us a penny and then threw it in the ocean and we had to go and look for it.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post £5000 for a student film!
We did a student film and we just managed with whatever we could get our hands on.

Our only costs were for VHS tapes, which today's students don't even need to buy, with it all being digital now.

You could make a full length feature for £5K
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 10:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Most pron films fall well under that.
Classy ones too.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post We made a classy one in the alley by te bins behind the red lion, Tina only charged a bottle of lambrini and 20 winchester blues.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do you do mail order?

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post He does do mail order
But beware, watching it meant I was put on the register for 5 years
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post It was worth it though, wasn't it.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post What bollocks!
Hiring a RED camera won't make this student film any less shit than all the others.
If they're students, they already have access to free camera equipment and should be using it.

I'm with the others. If you don't have the budget for a certain type of shot and you can't pull in any favours (which is what you should be doing everywhere) then find an alternative.

Fucking entitled kids today!
 (I helped save b3ta! aMac updated his sig, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post There's nothing 'entitled' about asking people for help
Demanding it, maybe. Also the RED camera is owned by the University, they need the budget for hiring professional actors and providing transport to remote locations. Having seen the difference between the films made using only student actors, and those made with a budget for pro actors, you can see why these guys want to get in the professionals, as it it dramatically increases the overall quality of the film, making it more likely they'll get into film competitions and hopefully get jobs in the industry at the end of it all.
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Have they heard of Star Now?
Budding actors willing to work for a copy of the film etc www.starnow.co.uk
 (waruuu, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll put them onto it
Cheers for the helpful comment... more the sort of thing I was expecting from b3ta to be honest...
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's really what you were expecting from b3ta?
I would be expecting a barrage of spamcuntage, glasscocks, insults, and general mischief.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post your penis is made of liquid sand and your vagina meat is processed you tittywiggler

(I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oooo you rotter!

(I helped save b3ta! Fadgebadger (1 like), Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post
you should have been expecting that. :P
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well that too of course,
But it looks like people aren't reading that little bit in red saying "if you don't like it, don't say anything"...
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you don't want rude or inappropriate comments as well as help or constructive criticism,
Don't post on B3TA :)
 (I helped save b3ta! A Rory Borealis here under duress, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Innit
This is not 'other members' work' anyway, this is a cheeky request.
 (bondsnood twitter.com/bondsnood, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't tell us
what to do, maaaaaaaaaaannn!!!!
 (SnowyTheWereRabbit the Leporid from Hell, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 16:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ahahahahaha!

(I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 16:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think people saying 'stay in your own budget' is a helpful comment
We're a bitter bunch here when it comes to people asking for money.

My problem with this pitch is that he's asking for £5k with no breakdown of WHY he wants that money.

Considering you're not paying for camera ops, editors, runners, lighting, sound, director, or ANY of that (because you're handling that yourself, right? As film students) where is this £5k going?

OK, so you want to hire good actors. You should only be hiring your 2 main leads. There are plenty of resources for getting free* (minus travel expenses) actors for any background cast or extras.
How many days shooting do you need to pay for these actors?

£5k is a lot of money for a student film and bollocks should any of that money go towards paying for the time of the students involved.
 (I helped save b3ta! aMac updated his sig, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c
 (I helped save b3ta! jakedamusss I understand, and dont care., Fri 2 Nov 2012, 4:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post what everyone else says

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post You will only spend it all on drugs & stupid haircuts.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post
and those ridiculous trousers someone has tricked them all into wearing
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post What everyone else said
Also, the acting in the director's other film was so woeful (lad in particularly) it really doesn't help the cause.
 (The Tramp Surveyor, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll do the catering
I make the best cat kebabs this side of Guam.
 (BumCoffee Portrait videographer, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think your mates are taking themselves and their school project a bit to seriously to be honest

(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Plot sounds dreary. If I invest I want you to spend the 5k on a huge explosion in the art gallery caused by a discarded cigarette and a leaky gas main.

(I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post This is just silly.
Film students... urgh.

I find it amusing that arguably this year's two most commercially successful Brit directors, Nolan and Mendes, never went to film school.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post ahem, Tarantino, The weinsteins, Guy ritchie, James Cameron, Sergio Leone, Trey Parker, Christopher Nolan,
Luc Besson, Kevin Smith, Wes Craven.... I could go on.
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Being an electronics student, I personally wouldn't dream of asking for £5K for a uni project,
But, I'm pretty shocked by the reaction this is getting from b3tans, some of whom I'm sure have had a leg up in the past, financially or otherwise. I think the fact that they've stumped up £5000 of their own cash shows a ridiculous amount of ambition and hard work which you've got to admire them for. And what's wrong with making a kickstarter page to see if they can double their budget? I'm sure if they don't reach their target they'll be able to work within whatever budget they have, and it'll be great, but why not try and make something they can take to film comps, show to potential employers etc that looks like a proper piece of professional work?
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post No.

(I helped save b3ta! Hardfarter Following through since 1978, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post I funded my uni projects in the normal, old fashioned way
by wanking off tramps in the park for loose change.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ahhh
An old fashioned.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post 'uni projects' being...
...drugs I assume.
 (bondsnood twitter.com/bondsnood, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah why not
the richest kids should be able to get ahead on those who may have more talent but can't access the money.
 (Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're making the assumption that they didn't work for it and save themselves...

(JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post you're missing the point

(Ol' Ginger Bastard a role model for the children, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think what is causing the friction here
is that b3ta is full of creative people who have been and done the student thing and are now struggling to make their own stuff off their own back and get noticed in a world oversaturated by creatives - seeing upcoming students throwing money at their student film to get the advantage in this industry is likely to nark people who are going to end up competing with them
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^this^
*slashes wrists*
 (I helped save b3ta! Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Chill out on the rational answers please.
I'm lucky if I get one situation to be angry at a week.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah I think you've got it bang on
I understand why people don't agree with it, especially if they've been making cool stuff for nowt. And I wouldn't expect that many people to fund it. It's just the comments about being 'arrogant' or 'entitled' which are really fucking wrong. I've helped out with a few of their projects before and they're some of the most hardworking people I've met (filming for 22 hours a day for three days straight because that's the longest the uni will let you have the equipment for, for example). They're not asking for the money so they can spaff out some shite in HD and expect a 1st, they just want to make something that'll stand out and look more like a professional movie than a student film.
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think you've hit the nail on the head
You need money to stand out. That's the annoying reality of film. But if that's what it boils down to, what scope is there for actual talent?

It annoys me that your friends are taking that approach. Why aren't they trying something different? Trying to be resourceful? The fact is, most student films are incredibly mediocre. I'm sure they're lovely hard working people... but there are so many of them doing the same shitty thing. Anyone who makes films knows you can get away with a hell of a lot if you film it on a flashy camera.

If they think 5k is needed to put them ahead of the competition, then they don't deserve it. Sorry to be harsh.

I think you as an electronics student would be far more deserving of the money, personally.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yup
Also, although this doesn't bother me, there is a lot to be learned when you have a real limited budget. Part of the learning process, paying your dues as it were.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think your mates need to come back down to earth
I think we are reacting so because of how completely out of proportion your mates are taking this. Are they planning to screen it at Cannes or something? Come on, they are at university and can't make a film with five grand?

I also don't recall such lavish budgets being the requirement or expected of any university project.
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^this

(I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 17:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bad Taste was posted on here yesterday
It looks like shit, but still manages to demonstrate Peter Jackson's talents as a director. He only got to do the Lord of the Rings once he proved himself on smaller films.

The point of a student film, or indeed a showreel, is not to show off how much money you had to spend, but to show off what you were able to achieve with the resources available.

As a final point, if you need an example of why a large budget isn't necessarily a good thing, watch John Carter.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^This
Peter Jackson just did it himself. No film school. No failed film graduates/professionals 'teaching' him.

Jackson, Spielberg, Ridley Scott, Christopher Nolan, Sam Mendes, Paul Greengrass - all smart, innovative filmmakers who didn't go to film school.

Zack Snyder, Michael Bay, George Lucas - all executors of stylised cliche who went to film school.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Don't forget
Ben Dover. Preston Ass Bitches 4 is one of cinema's greats.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post What! it was no way as good as slam it in her ass 3 with Peter North.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh come on
The whole slam it in series was ruined by over use of CGI. North's talent was corrupted by corporate financing. In slam it in 7, Cindy's revenge, the cum on her back shot was green screen.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post You monster! thanks for ruining one of my favourite childhood films.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wow, you've really brought out the cunt in b3tans with this one.
I'm surprised and slightly disappointed by the amount of sheer hostility on show here.
 (EvilTerran rearranged his letters on, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 11:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post fuck you
edit. sorry i was relying on you some how knowing that i'm lovely and was trying to be funny.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post It's just the arrogance of it.
And sense of entitlement as others have pointed out. 'I'm worth 5K.'

Fuck Red One cameras. They should be making do with what they've got, being resourceful. If there's any talent there it will come out regardless.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post The Red One camera's being supplied by the uni. For nowt.
The cash is for 'proper' actors.
'Cos their uni hasn't got a drama department full of struggling acting students who'd be appreciative of the chance of opportunity to work on a film.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post They should be using family members
And friends.

How dare they have a budget.
 (BarryFromTheShitFarm Oh, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have to agree
Fair play to them for trying something ambitious. If they pull of something great with this idea it will help them in future projects. How many student projects are made each year? It looks like they're trying to distinguish themselves as more than a bunch of students with a camera. £5,000/£10,000 is a lot of money for a student project but if they produce something that looks like its worth that much and helps their future career prospects then well done!
 (RJWEcology is just sharpening his axe on, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Anyone who uses the word "slick"
Doesn't deserve my money. I was going to stump up the full £5k but because you described it as wanting to be "slick" you can get lost.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hardfarter Following through since 1978, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post hahaha
first huge guffaw of the day
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ah hahaha!

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:46, , Reply)
This is a normal post Now this may sound imature but it could affect how I decided to go on this
In the final film does anybody that clip take their clothes off?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post There are
shaved animals. Good enough.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post First rule of film making
Use other people's money! You've got to admire their balls [snigger]. Good luck to them with their project. On one hand I tend to agree with the notion that it should be made on a shoestring, as that way the talent of the film makers will shine through, but a large part of film making is financing it, so bravo to them for trying this method out. In short: I don't really know.
 (I helped save b3ta! Mster Johnny Ekstrom, now that's a name, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 12:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good idea really
I bet I would have given this a try in my day if I could have. Saying that, doing things the hard way can really pay off and give the film some charm that will otherwise get lost in HD saturated coloured mediocrity.
I do think the story needs a little more pizazz though. A little more spice, less wishy washy if you know what I mean. 25 mins of teens talking could be really dull if the script isn't funny/well written.
good luck though.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post If they shoot it HD it will just look like everything else on Vimeo.

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hate Vimeo
It takes ages to load, mostly a pain, and mostly everything on there looks like it was done by the same person.
 (I helped save b3ta! --- ---, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post oh, very much this.

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post I didn't
have any money for my videos. So I drew stickmen in them, badly. One of them won me $10,000. Jus' sayin'. The film world is a funny old game.
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 13:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post you are Don Hertzfeldt AICMFP?
Actually, any chance of a link to your $10k-winning one? I'm intrigued.
 (EvilTerran rearranged his letters on, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sure.
I think people thought it was so bad that it was good, as sometimes happens. This is a repost after my You Tube ban. The first one had well over 1,000,000 views and was shown on the telly too.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=LelSfbFwIXo
 (I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, I like it ... "ideas are more important than execution", perhaps?
Some of the best stuff out there is "bad art".

Given you netted a prize for it... mustn't grumble. :)
 (EvilTerran rearranged his letters on, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 16:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post So
Did this go as well as you had expected?
 (bondsnood twitter.com/bondsnood, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tickle wants a music video, can I have 5 grand to make him one please.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'll chip in a tenner

(I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hooray!!! We can hire a skank to bogle in a kappa boob tube and hot pants!

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Round here that gets a couple
*shakes that ass*
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post I can see it now, this film is going to be a riot of acne, cellulite, polyester and chlamydia,
It's going to be well classy.
 (I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post I will happily wank off a tramp
if that helps? Although I'm the first to wonder why it would help.
 (I helped save b3ta! herd of chickens First part only £1.99 and comes with a free, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post It would definitely help, it would be a nice counterbalancing juxtaposition to the eternal struggle of the lead protagonist.

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post It'd help the tramp
I've got a mate removes his glass eye when he's pissed and puts it on the end of his tongue. Can he be in it?
 (I helped save b3ta! TownsendsPublisher is all gravy baby, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bloody too right!!!

(I helped save b3ta! skeltonator Needs some new daps., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ill match that
We could be like a really angry version of this Kickstarter
 (I helped save b3ta! jakedamusss I understand, and dont care., Fri 2 Nov 2012, 4:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Interesting thread with lots of valid points.
Have your pals looked into product placement? Going back about five years now, some student types I knew got a deal with Red Stripe sponsoring them.

They weren't that bright though it seems (and proceeded to show budget isn't everything) as they hired Danny fackin' Dyer.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is pretty interesting isn't it?
I hadn't even considered anyone on here/elsewhere would have a problem with it. At worst I thought people might look at the page, think "nah" and get on with their lives, didn't realise it would actually grind people's gears that bad but tbh I think cyriak and a few others up there made pretty good points.

I'll get them to look into product placement as well. And make sure they avoid Danny Dire.
 (JosefK, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 15:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post I will genuinely donate 1 pot noodle
if you pay postage. Location catering sorted.
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post If a film is good,,,,it usually has-
A- Good acting and script.
B- A good director.

All the rest of the stuff at this early stage is neither here nor there.

You're a student and your friends are students so A and B at best will be desperately average.
I do however wish you luck in your enterprise. I won't be investing, I'm out.
 (I helped save b3ta! Hummel Who died and made you....oh wait...., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 14:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post So what happens if you don't hit the target? Will the Uni fail you for making the same movie with a lower budget?
I'd agree with those who said looking for proper sponsorship or product placement is probably the way to go, rather than waving your begging bowl at randoms on the internet.
 (I helped save b3ta! h3donist tryin' to play me out as if my name is Sega.., Thu 1 Nov 2012, 17:06, , Reply)