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This is a normal post It's a tu quoque argument
but still quite amusing.
 (hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post People in glass houses... yada yada yada

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Reminds me of the time Private Eye claimed that Brad Pitt was a hypocrite for staring in Fight Club and later going on to do adverts.


The stupid still hurts.
 (Zappanale, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post when did they claim that?

(hieronymus bosch pcmechanic 4ver in ar harts, goodnite sweet angle, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post
really? they do get it a bit wrong sometimes, but I can't recall that one.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post so you're saying gun owners have guns because they want to look like they're in films and can't tell the difference between make believe and reality?
that's even more reason for them not to be allowed them surely.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm anti gun ownership but I would still use a gun in a movie
If people are too stupid to separate fiction from reality they they don't deserve a pocket knife.
 (I helped save b3ta! Peej, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Agreed. There are people that believe that only the "elites" deserve to be protected by guns, like celebrities and politicians.
The reality, is that every life is sacred, not just the famous, rich or criminal.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post mine isn't,
it's not going to change the world my not being here.
I can't think of anyone who's life is sacred off the top of my head.
Can you give me an example?
not meaning to argue, just curious
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, don't be such a fucking spastic.
You really are acting like a pathetic, spoilt brat. You're happy 30,000+ people each year are killed by guns in your country, as long as you get your toys to play with?
You stupid fucking selfish cunt.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post every life is sacred, except those 30,000 obviously

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post You make a lot of assumptions in your rage. This started because white, middle class people were killed. Why are you not angry when thousands of black men, women and children are killed?
Why were you not outraged when the current US administration allowed assault rifles into Mexico, resulting in the deaths of thousands of brown skinned people and at least one federal agent?

Why are you not outraged that over 500 homicides happened in Chicago last year, to a majority of black victims, but also a place with the strictest of gun control?

You can fester and spew all you want. And you really cross a line when you accuse me of liking death. You would not survive a moment where I grew up. Yes, my life has been saved more than once by a gun. But the gangs and cartels will not disarm, no matter how many times you weep or wring your hands.

Selfish.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post impressive introduction of the race card to try and deflect the argument
I think you'll find the general desire to remove guns is not referring to taking away rich Caucasian folks guns, but all guns, irrespective of colour of owner
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post My point is that where the most murders with guns happen are places where guns are illegal.
Maybe we should give the mother of a kid trying to avoid gangs the opportunity to prevent a home invasion that leaves her son dead and her raped.

You may not care about race, but I certainly do. Black men are disproportionately victims of homicide. The media seems to ignore such murders unless a white person is involved.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post more race based distraction tactics, you clearly don't have a leg to stand on
what if it was a white kid avoiding a white gang home invasion
How big a gun should that child be entitled to to defend himself against lets say 5 imaginary intruders?
What if the kids attacking only have knives? should the kid put the gun away first or should he give them guns too to make things even?
What if the kids attacking don't enter the property but shoot at it with a rocket launcher, should the poor kid (black or white) get government funding for anti rocket defences and maybe some rpgs of his own?

the solution is remove them all, not give out more.
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post Race is not a distraction. Look at the statistics: non-whites suffer most. May not mean anything to you.
Why should anyone, black or white, have to suffer the trauma of a home invasion? If someone is using a knife, that is lethal force. I would shoot him because if you're trying to kill, you don't get to determine the response. (It's like the old movies where the tough guy got beat up by a karate dude and said that kicking was "girlie". The best practice is not to mess with another human to make yourself look tough or you could end up dead).

Again, if you can remove all guns from the world, guarantee that the cartels and gangs are disarmed and that the currently porous borders of the US will not allow any further gun transfers from profiteers in other countries, then we have a starting point.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post but almost all (if not all) of these guns are made in the United States.
the US has something like half of all the world's guns.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Actually, the talking clock told me that arms are made all over
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_modern_armament_manufacturers
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Mexico: 1
Canada: 4
USA: 51
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post But the guns that do the most damage among the cartels are not manufactured in either Canada or Mexico
Usually China, Bulgaria, or some other AK 47 hotspot.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm trying to find out. I got this so far:
Is gun theft a part of the illegal gun problem?
Yes, gun theft is one of the ways guns are diverted to the illegal market. The ATF reports that over 13,000 guns are lost or stolen from dealers nationwide each year. Estimates show that as many as 32% of crime guns are acquired through theft.5 6
www.mayorsagainstillegalguns.org/html/about/faq.shtml
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post "According to ATF data, 70 percent of firearms recovered and traced in drug cartel crimes in Mexico originated from the United States."
www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2012/may/29/jim-moran/jim-moran-says-70-percent-traced-firearms-mexican-/
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Probably already been posted here
Fancy graphic thing showing trade routes for guns and ammo

workshop.chromeexperiments.com/projects/armsglobe/?ModPagespeed=noscript
 (I helped save b3ta! Lanc Weekend Trailer Park Supervisor, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post pooey I don't have WebGL

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post www.chrome.com
It is import/export. Useful for that purpose.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post There are some compelling stats which indicate this works both ways
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States#Characteristics_of_offenders
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post Be careful, bringing up race might make someone doubt your sanity.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Honestly I doubt my sanity posting that
...but the crime problems being highlighted (victim OR perpetrator) are because of deprivation and lack of opportunity ... not of race.

It just so happens that due to social ills and long-standing inequalities in the US (and UK) that non-whites are more likely to be born into deprivation and poverty.
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post There are tomes written on that.
The claimed solutions for the social ills have only seemed to worsen the problem.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post so just shrug your shoulders and keep up the arms race.

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post You can mock, but I am active in my community and have worked in government to attempt to change it.
I harbor no illusion that my efforts are small, but I keep working at it.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well good luck to you,
I don't want to disparage your efforts and I think we in the UK lead relatively sheltered lives and don't really appreciate the sort of fear you encounter every day, nevertheless I don't think "more guns" is the answer to any of these problems.

As your lot say, "guns don't kill people, people do," well, that's true, they kill people WITH guns though, but I suppose ultimately it's poverty and broken society that kills people.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well thats because the solutions always come from outside the affected communities
If "Da Man" has fucked you over your entire life why would you listen to "Da Man" when he says he has a solution to "your" problem
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post I tell you what they should do,
the next time they just print a shedload of money to give to the banks for being rubbish banks, they should just give it to poor people instead. They want more consumer spending, don't they?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post But you're not allowed to help them out of it,
because that would be COMMUNISM.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post dude
that's fucking lame. you're desperately trying to build a strawman by hinting that happytoast is racist. get a fucking grip. disagree with people but use proper arguments. you're an intelligent man and ought to know better
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hey, Handsome! He tried to imply <i>I</i> was racist FIRST.
But oh no, I'm not a mod, so I'm just ignored....*sniff*
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post hey sweet cheeks
you're a massive racist so it was less of a deal...
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 23:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post
which in turn would give the gang another gun....
 (I_am_B, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sweet jeesus.
What has gang-avoidance got to do with anything? How does a made-up example establish any point of principle?

And, yes: black men are disproportionately the victims of homicide, and the press is much more bothered by dead white people. That's worrying. But it's also unclear why it's relevant here.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Who says it's made up?
I've been challenged many times; I've worked with many inner city youths who were fighting either to get out or stay out of gangs.

I've walked home with many to make sure they made it in their front door. Come visit, I can show you.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post *Gets suspicious*
How old were these inner city "youths"? :)
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post 43.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post You sure it is not a wealth/class rather than a race thing?
Do impoverished white people get good media coverage?

America has a big racial wealth gap, so black/poor could look similar statistically.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:34, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^this with bells on

(I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post ^innit

(I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post dunno
maybe they should just mandate that all guns be pink and sparkly, see how many people still want to look hard on the streets carrying one.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post there are plenty to choose from
tinyurl.com/bgnxbk2
 (I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post aww!
now I want guns!
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:31, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like this picture, the guy at the back steals it:
files.redux.com/images/d96c3da92c2fe0f36585ec1a9be59752/raw
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wow.
That really is monumentally fucking stupid.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post Thank you.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post My emotional reaction is to put a lot of blame on easy-to-buy guns,
but the data I've seen does seem to suggest violent crime is far more to do with poverty.

If America banned guns, I'm sure they would still have a very high homicide rate until they start caring about people on the bottom of society.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post they'd still have a lot of guns, as well

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post Aye, but I do often think that
the reason Switzerland isn't so fucked up is that they must be doing something right socially.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're right. I have no doubt that poverty is responsible for a high %age of violent crime, as is the ubiquitous firearms.
The two points are not mutually exclusive, however.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes, but the
gun crime debate seems to come down to "Guns are massively to blame" vs "Guns are not to blame at all".

I can't help but feel it is more "Guns are a bit to blame".
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post You don't have to own a gun to kill someone,
BUT IT HELPS!!!
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post It helps to kill lots of people in one go, anyway.
I reckon that I'd personally go for poison if I wanted to kill someone.

I always had a crap aim on Operation Wolf and would probably miss with a gun.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post If I just wanted to kill a shed load of people,
I'd buy a big 4x4 second hand, take it to a busy shopping street, and mount the pavement.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'd start by buying a shed.

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post binary thinking & the availability heuristic
that's what's to blame


also, they have a new speedcore jazz album out
 (I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I like this, but only because it made me look up the AH and now I feel clevererer.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're becoming a parody of yourself here.

(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm confused by your opening sentence...
Do you mean:

There are people, such as celebrities and politicians, who believe only the "elite" should be protected...

or

There are people who believe that only the "elite", such as celebrities and politicians, should by guns be protected?

If the latter, then I take issue with the definition of "elite".


But I don't think I get the point you're trying to make - Are you suggesting that gun control will only leave the "elite" protected?

If only the police and army have guns, will they only protect celebrities and politicians?
 (I helped save b3ta! TheAlmightyBeev, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Many leaders in the US have armed bodyguards; their children go to school with armed bodyguards.
Celebrities often have armed bodyguards; their children go to school with armed bodyguards. I understand the rationale, but when they turn around and say that same privilege should not be extended to the common man, I think that is wrong. Their children's lives are not more precious than mine.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post But isn't there something rather odd
about taking the need and desire for an armed bodyguard as perfectly normal? Don't you see that it's possible that there's something deeply wrong with a culture in which anyone wants an armed guard, elite or otherwise?
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post It is not normal; it is a response to reality. But, if you can guarantee that everyone will be disarmed, including cops and millitary, you might have a shot
But, with an administration that has repeatedly stated that it will not enforce borders and the amount of drugs, weapons and humans that are trafficked across it, there is a huge danger. All these things make a lot of money and want to protect it. They protect it with guns and that goes up and down the chain.

If guns are banned in the US and manufacture stops, that border will then become a larger highway to supply the criminal need.
 (I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Eh?
Oh, bugger this. Talking about guns with you is like trying to engage with the speaking clock.
 (I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post the speaking clock is usually right, though

(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post A gun doesn't really protect you though, does it,
it just kind of, threatens everybody else. What you want is some kind of shield.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm working on one like Master Chief has in Halo 4. Stay tuned.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Haha brilliant!
*puts in notebook for later use*
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post The clips from Community are so meta for this if you know what episode they're from
I fucking adore Community.
 (I helped save b3ta! Lord Keeps meaning to procrastinate., Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:54, , Reply)
This is a normal post And your point is?

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post Somewhere along the lines of "give everyone guns", I'm assuming.

(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 15:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post Whislt the premise of this video is amusing...
...trying to make these people look like hypocrits is a bit pointless. I've watched lots of films with gunfights, car chases, drug deals, explosions etc, etc, and I've never ever gone on to re-enact any of them. Except when I blew that place up.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post When i go out on my pushbike i pretend i'm riding on the back of a dragon :-)

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post OK apart from that.
And apart from when I pretend that I'm Ainsley Harriott touching up female "ready steady cook contestants" during my commute.
 (I helped save b3ta! Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good point. I've owned and shot guns all my life. I've never killed, maimed, shot, robbed or committed a crime with one.

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post What's the point in having one if you're not going to use it properly?

(I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post C'mere *smooches*

(I helped save b3ta! BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yet you NEED one to protect yourself?

From what...?
 (I helped save b3ta! Larry Death Anger Pain Fear Aggression, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post
is this the wrong time to say I support the right of the American citizens to bear arms?
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post Things could get hairy.
Arf.
 (I helped save b3ta! Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I laughed, but I'm not happy about it.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Is this another pick on BrokenCoccyx thread because he lives in a country that does things differently?
Foreign country, their problem to sort out.

Or shall we start lecturing Pakistanis, Russians and former soviet bloc states etc on their gun control?
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 16:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post Careful, my new bff.
That sounds dangerously close to the liberal racist "we should respect brown people's moral stance" argument for not interfering on female genital mutilation, honour killings &c.
I think we should all starting thinking as denizens of this planet, rather than individual countries.... There are universal moral wrongs & turning a blind eye, so as not to offend 'different' cultural morals is patently wrong.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'ld argue that mutilating women is more of a universal moral wrong that what level or weapon a citizen is allowed for self defense.
[edit]
Pakistan also has liberal gun laws and has had it's share of mass killings which barely gets a mention.
In the past weeks they've had aid workers murdered which didn't get people jumping up and being keyboard warriors.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm developing a self-defence genital mutilation gun just to cause trouble
it has flowers and a photo of the Dalai Lama on and that
 (I helped save b3ta! Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post A Dalai Lama shawarma harmer?
Nice!
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Sam Harris agrees, and so do I,
but where do these "Universal Moral Wrongs" come from, if not our culture?
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have no idea. But pushing western culture/values is obviously something to be avoided.
I am unaware of Sam Harris (though his book on lying rings a bell), which book should I start on?
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post I've no idea I've never read any,
I read an online article by him some time ago so I know what his stance is on this, to be honest I wasn't impressed by his argument, and some quotes of his books elsewhere really put me off. He's one of these "all religion should be abolished" types.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 19:00, , Reply)
This is a normal post *now tempted*
[edit] Checked some of his stances on Israel, the religious &c. Ah.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 19:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Some of these places are only worth nuking.

(pissflaps. FSPW, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Youre gonna have to try a LOT harder
if you want to win "most batshit mental" comment on this thread, my friend.
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post If they too post a video to make a frankly idiotic point then yes, yes we should.

(I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post How's it idiotic?
I'm sure the same point would be made if Pete Doherty made a video lecturing others on drug use.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post no.
it's the same as ewan mcgregor (trainspotting) or leonardo de caprio (the basketball diaries) lecturing other on drug use. ie. not hypocritical at all whatsoever.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:14, , Reply)
This is a normal post Except Pete "Twatty McHat" Doherty actually uses drugs...
...instead of pretending to for entertainment. Pretty much the same result in the end though...
 (Megamoss, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post I'm struggling to read this as a serious post from you.
Is the point not that film stars sometimes are involved in films featuring guns yet they speak in favour of gun control?

Can you not see that your Doherty comparison is pretty wide of the mark?

Edit: what those chaps above said ^^
 (I helped save b3ta! Pig Bodine., Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:33, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes
We should also lecture them on their driving
 (I helped save b3ta! DinivanX Has stinging piss after drinking Pact Coffee, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Until a nation manages to use a round-about properly they have no business being on the road

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post
'A board that largely considers Red Dwarf worthwhile is no fit place for important discussions.'

H Feckler, 2013.
 (I helped save b3ta! feckler https://twitter.com/LeonardEctric1, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh gawd, now you've started it.
*whispers* "It's shite"
 (I helped save b3ta! Tab Hunter Make this useless process end and so, begin again, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 18:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post coccxyx you nutter they're pretending.
this is only an issue if you think that movies are the main enabler of gun violence (rather than easy access to guns). movies are pretend.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 17:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post 2 cents
I felt left out
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Wed 9 Jan 2013, 19:02, , Reply)