Religious types who argue with science types
and use religious dogma as some kind of trump card against hard proven facts.

My dear old ma is closer to God than I will ever be, so I'm not about to try and disabuse her of her faith this close to the final curtain (who am I kidding, she'll be here another 20 or 30 years at least) but we've had some discussions, I the science flag bearer and she the Jesus lover.

Her opening Gambit- 'Where did the world come from if God didn't make it?'

Me: 'A conglomeration of rock bunched together from an accretion disc of matter that formed in a gravitational orbit around the sun.'

Her: 'And where did the sun come from?'

Me: 'Hydrogen atoms forming a dense cloud until the compression initiating fusion'

Her: 'And where did the hydrogen come from in the first place?'

Me: 'All matter was created in the big bang'

Her: 'AND WHO MADE THAT HAPPEN?'

Me:.......er...no one.


Which used to piss me off, as she thought she had won. Except later on I found an answer in science-

'It happened because of random fluctuations in the fabric of quantum space/time'.

I ask:- what of Dinosaur fossils? 'Put there by God to test the faithful. Funny patterns in rock which scientists present in a certain way to confuse us and get more funding for their 'work''

I ask Why has He not shown himself? 'God needs faith, faith needs no proof. Proof would be the opposite of faith, therefore to save us from hell, he can never prove to us He exists.'

He apparently seemed fairly happy to appear in a burning bush, personally smited a lot of Philistines, took Jesus on a reverse bungee up to heaven in front of witnesses. And then there's the 'miracles'. I think I saw some of these mind control techniques used in, oh what was it, 'The Wizard Of Oz'?

Says she, 'The Bible is proof of God's will.'

But it was passed down as an oral tradition for hundreds of years, translated several times, is still 'interpreted' even after all this but it's OK, because God causes people's thoughts to go the way he wants them to. I think that's what SHitler and countless other megalomaniacs said to themselves.

There was also that unbelievable attempt at spin-doctoring where some bishop said that noncery by the church was a good thing because it taught the victims valuable lessons about forgiveness.

Religion being about guilt and control and submission and indoctrination is not a basis for any free-thinking person. Sheep away if you will but don't try your rubbish marketing techniques on me.

Oh, and if Jesus and God and Judgement Day are unprovable bollocks then I'm hardly going to agree that ghosts/tarot/horoscopes/homeopathy/crystal healing are valid topics for discussion.
( Rotating Wobbly Hat That's not a banana. THIS is a banana., Sat 12 Oct 2013, 23:36, 7 replies)

Just so you know, you're going to HELL.
Jesus loves you.
ON FUCKING FIRE!
FOR EVER!
AND EVER!
AMEN!
PRAISE THE LORD!
PRAISE HIS INFINITE MERCY! and pyromania
( stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Sun 13 Oct 2013, 1:13, closed)

HALLELUJAHGOBBLE!
HALLELUJAHGOBBLE!
( Rotating Wobbly Hat That's not a banana. THIS is a banana., Sun 13 Oct 2013, 13:19, closed)

BUT WHO WOBBLED THE SPACE TIME

( the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 3:44, closed)

DON'T YOU START WITH THAT DR WHO SHIT!

( stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Sun 13 Oct 2013, 3:55, closed)

You're very clever young man
But it's turtles all the way down.
(Eukanuba, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 6:36, closed)

Now your fate ... will be his!

( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 11:35, closed)

Hard proven facts?
I'm not sure you understand science or religion, in fact you sound like you're treating science as a religion, proselytising to unbelievers in the hope of converting them to the one true path.

Science isn't s list of "hard proven facts", it's the exact opposite of that. Claims that it is undermine the power of scientific method among theists. If science is presented as a set of certainties to replace those provided by religion, theists will always be able to find examples where so called "hard proven facts" have been later disproved.
(ringofyre, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 8:46, closed)

Correct.
In fact in a qotw talking about irrational and illogical then science should not be mentioned when discussing theology especially theology in the context to believers of deities. It is pointless. If it is pointless then it is illogical and irrational. If the qotw was, tell us how much you hate religions then there would be a point.
( d.r._and_quinch when will you be famous?, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 12:11, closed)

And we all know that posters on here
have always stuck to the point.
( edjogs Collared doves are shit., Sun 13 Oct 2013, 14:54, closed)

You seem quite determined to make this point.
You're not upset are you?
Not on the internet.
(s0ckpuppet logging out to reply to you if you're not careful, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 22:58, closed)

Said the bothering god botherer with tales of having bothered in the dullest of fashion
god botherers.
( d.r._and_quinch when will you be famous?, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 23:16, closed)

I don't really get how you've pegged me as a god botherer.
I'm not.

^Too thick to have taken the time to read my post and understand it.^ - We really need to have some sort of comprehension competency test in place for when people sign up for this website.
(s0ckpuppet logging out to reply to you if you're not careful, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 0:40, closed)

BOTHERING GOD BOTHERER - you need the comprehension test
which is the entire point of your, "I know these religious people, lol"
( d.r._and_quinch when will you be famous?, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 8:43, closed)

qué?

(s0ckpuppet logging out to reply to you if you're not careful, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 8:58, closed)

Proven facts happen because of a solid reliable methodology of analysis that stands up to reason, logic and testability.
Faith is just 'DON'T QUESTION ME, I HAVE HAD IT REVEALED TO ME BY MY IMAGINARY FRIEND, OR THAT BLOKE OVER THERE DRESSED UP IN HIS FANCY COSTUME'
( Rotating Wobbly Hat That's not a banana. THIS is a banana., Sun 13 Oct 2013, 13:08, closed)

I also don't believe in God.
Unfortunately for you and me there is absolutely no evidence that he doesn't exist in parallel with science.
There is only evidence that if he does exist, his disciples passed on the story incorrectly.
( edjogs Collared doves are shit., Sun 13 Oct 2013, 18:25, closed)

Faith is also
"Because I have done this several times and achieved the same result, I believe if I do it again I will get the same result again."
( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 8:47, closed)

The concept of infinite regression is a problem for both theists and atheists alike, I agree.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 11:24, closed)

You seem to be very angry about something
that you say doesn't exist.
( edjogs Collared doves are shit., Sun 13 Oct 2013, 14:53, closed)

If God made us in his own image,
why aren't I invisible too? that would be cool. Of course, we'd all be invisible so it might get a bit weird.
(FartThroughAWalkieTalkie wished you were dead in ditch on, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 17:26, closed)

It would be a bit like talking to each other on QOTW.

( edjogs Collared doves are shit., Sun 13 Oct 2013, 18:28, closed)

He's not invisible, he's just
very far away.
( monster munch person, man, woman... camera... TV?, Sun 13 Oct 2013, 20:21, closed)

Are you sure He's not just really little?

( stuj (^(^;;^)^) GO TEAM SPIDERS!(^(^;;^)^), Sun 13 Oct 2013, 21:56, closed)

Also, if we're made in god's image, that means he has a navel
...which implies a mother.
(moon monkey is busy making memories worth repressing, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 10:23, closed)

Well, God IS female.
And His own mother.
( drimble he'd been white, he'd been black, Mon 14 Oct 2013, 11:36, closed)