If one had an interview
at a national medical research centre as a vet tech, would it be safe to assume that the animals there were being used as medical subjects do you think?
( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 10:57, Reply)

Absolutely.

( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 10:58, Reply)

Probably...
...how does that make you feel? Are you uncomfortable with it?

_{BTW, shame you couldn't make it on Friday night, was looking forward to putting a face to your posts.}
(PJM Does not love Liberace, Mon 11 May 2009, 10:59, Reply)

She's got a picture on her profile
she's the one who isn't madam malboro.
( althechristmasgeordie is complicated, like a squirrel in a flan., Mon 11 May 2009, 11:02, Reply)

I'm the Blonde one who looks like an ugly Paula Yates apparently

( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:04, Reply)

What FUCKER said that!

( althechristmasgeordie is complicated, like a squirrel in a flan., Mon 11 May 2009, 11:05, Reply)

Some cunt off /talk

( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:06, Reply)

Oh just ignore them
It's not true.
( althechristmasgeordie is complicated, like a squirrel in a flan., Mon 11 May 2009, 11:07, Reply)

Just as well as she's dead ,)

( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:10, Reply)

seeing as paula yates was in fact ugly
does this double-negative in fact make you look like an attractice Paula Yates?
( Festivipros you caught my nose in your left castanet, love, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:10, Reply)

Not necessarily
If it were a med centre it could be that it was for vet medicines?
(Eds Meds Mathskillz=1,Socialskillz=0, Mon 11 May 2009, 10:59, Reply)

What they gonna need a vet tech for then?

( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:00, Reply)

It's a bit of a long shot
But maybe they need somebody to look after the animals that they're testing animal medicines on?!
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:10, Reply)

So...
"Animal Testing"?
As per the original post? :p
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:13, Reply)

That's what I was thinking
Sounded like you were suggesting that a research center for veterinary medicine wouldn't be testing on animals.

Damn this FUCKING OPEN PLAN OFFICE for destroying my mind and rendering me incapable of interpretting your rhetorical question!
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:18, Reply)

Did you take a double-dose
Of your Retardo-Max this morning?
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:23, Reply)

Fuck you naked Kaol
GET OUT OF MY HEAD.

Ahem.

No but I grow sicker of this office everyday.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:25, Reply)

Awh, poor boy...
*pats head*

You need music on headphones.
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:26, Reply)

I do
But my mp3 player ran flat and because it's a simple one it doesn't play while charging. I think I'm going to look for a 240v socket near my desk so that I have other options for music goodness.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:37, Reply)

Spotify
(Google it).
Plus your headphones?
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:39, Reply)

It's not an animal centre
it's a human medical centre.
( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:15, Reply)

I would assume so
I would also assume a vet tech's job would involve making the animals feel better, so that's something.
( The Light In Giftwrap won't play poker with the Skull Spark Joker, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:00, Reply)

Well the job would be to feed and water them
and other nursing duties, but I'm not sure I'd want to do it knowing that they don't have homes to go to and that it wont advance my career and training.
( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:02, Reply)

What's your personal
Stance on animal testing, out of interest?
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:03, Reply)

It's very cruel
they can barely hold a pen, and yet you expect them to complete an exam in under an hour and a half.
( althechristmasgeordie is complicated, like a squirrel in a flan., Mon 11 May 2009, 11:04, Reply)

It's ok,
You just tape the pen to them.
Or whip 'em harder.
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:09, Reply)

For medical reasons:
No problem at all, although it's a bit outdated as proved by the guys who took drugs that were tested on animals and swelled up and turned black. Humans and animals are very different, but have a lot of the same genetic make up.

For cosmetic purposes: Absolutely not. I worked in Lush for too long to use anything tested on animals.

Edit: LOLZ Al
( Mary's sexbox explosion makes me The Jesus, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:06, Reply)

Good stuff.
Pretty much of similar opinions to me.
Cosmetic-wise, why the fuck should animals get messed with in the sake of vanity?

As for the medical side, some of it's a little out-dated, but a lot of the testing has a genetic basis now, which is helping understanding the basis of all kinds of genetic disease.
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:08, Reply)

More of less the same as my line of thought
One thing I never want to see tested on animals though are hi-tech implants - giving significantly advanced AI devices a living host could end horribly :p
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:15, Reply)

Animal implants
What is a rabbit going to do with a new pair of tits?
(PJM Does not love Liberace, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:45, Reply)

Hugh Hefner?
be a bunny-girl?

/IGMC
(Eds Meds Mathskillz=1,Socialskillz=0, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:52, Reply)

Actually
Why don't we do medical testing on prisoners sentenced to life imprisonment? It's immoral to just keep them imprisoned forever (under my morality) so if we're unwilling to kill them we should do something useful with them.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:20, Reply)

Because it's
"Inhumane".
*sighs*
So's committing terrible crimes, but people seem to forget that.
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:25, Reply)

It's "inhumane"
So we'll waste shit loads of money and space keeping these people somewhere in, from what I've heard, pretty nice conditions.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:35, Reply)

see my reply below
also, I really doubt you would like to be in prison.
( althechristmasgeordie is complicated, like a squirrel in a flan., Mon 11 May 2009, 11:36, Reply)

Now that's not true is it
lets examine this. People do bad things. Some people do really bad things. Is the best way out of this situation to do really bad things to the people you think might have done bad things?

But that makes you as bad as those people, so then what gives you the authority to dole out punishment? Surely then other people are justified in doing equally bad things to you?

And of course the biggest reason of all, what if you either got it wrong, or worse, the people who are in charge of doing the bad things are corrupt. Then were are you? You're doling out punishments to the undeserving that cannot be retracted.

Locking people up isn't perfect, but it stops them doing bad things again, and leaves the possibility that, if you get it wrong, there is the opportunity to redress the balance.
( althechristmasgeordie is complicated, like a squirrel in a flan., Mon 11 May 2009, 11:35, Reply)

For the record,
I wasn't being serious.

I think prison is a far better solution than the death penalty.
Mostly because there's no going back on a death sentence. If it's a case of mis-trial or whatever, and you've killed the "guilty" party, that's fucking awful.

I think sometimes rehabilitation of criminals is the answer, but in some cases people can be kinda "broken", and there's no way to fix 'em.
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:46, Reply)

I think Al hit the nail on the head with
"Doling out punishments that cannot be retracted".

How many times has our legal system been proved to be occasionally fallible? It's bad enough for someone who's conviction has been overturned to have to adjust to normal life again without factoring in any trauma or long term health issue from compulsory medical testing.

This isn't China.
(PJM Does not love Liberace, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:50, Reply)

I agree with you entirely
I was just messing around as I happened to consider that society could get more out of these people (in moral ways) than we currently do and thought about inmates with tumors, missing eyes and three arms.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:08, Reply)

Well I'd rather not live in prison, you're right
But based on what little knowledge I have (ie from the major media outlets, the internet etc) the conditions seem nicer than those endured by people living in poverty besides the restrictions on freedom of movement.

I'm not a supporter of capital punishment but the only one of your arguments I really agree with is the issue of getting it wrong. You can release somebody if you realise you were wrong but you can't bring them back to life.

(Can't be arsed to get into the morality of the other stuff right now, too much typing involved - corner me in the pub sometime)

Penal labour is an idea I'd like to explore if I ever have the time.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:53, Reply)

You spelled it wrong.
It's "penile".
(wellgroomedkrampus you are our second favourite food, OTHER THAN WOOD, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:55, Reply)

Penile labour?
So... Giving birth to a massive cock?
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:00, Reply)

Ask your Mum
She'll tell you exactly what it's like.
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:04, Reply)

God fuckin' dammit.
You win this one, V...
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:06, Reply)

You missed couple of easy comebacks too
1) The size of your cock
2) You have a brother
3) She gave birth to a male chicken?!
( Captain V, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:09, Reply)

It's a Monday...
*yawns*
( Cawl - King Of Wales, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:12, Reply)

Nah,
V's considering breaking into the prison porn industry. I think you've told him he has a purty mouth so often that he's started to like it.
(wellgroomedkrampus you are our second favourite food, OTHER THAN WOOD, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:05, Reply)

Like the Guildford 4?
Or the Birmingham 6?

Good to know you have absolute faith in the Criminal Justice system.
( The Light In Giftwrap won't play poker with the Skull Spark Joker, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:06, Reply)

Guildford 4 Birmingham 6
What a fucking game that was.
(DrTugnutcracker Robs and beats annoying lispers, Mon 11 May 2009, 12:07, Reply)

A couple of those penalty decisions
were a bit dodgy in my opinion.
( The Light In Giftwrap won't play poker with the Skull Spark Joker, Mon 11 May 2009, 13:40, Reply)

Who cares?
You get to play with fluffeh things.

(Maybe even some live ones too!)
(DrTugnutcracker Robs and beats annoying lispers, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:55, Reply)

If it's where I'm thinking of,
Then there will be breeding stock as well as test subjects. It looks like a pretty nice place to work though, and when I had a few interviews there everyone was thoroughly pleasant.
(wellgroomedkrampus you are our second favourite food, OTHER THAN WOOD, Mon 11 May 2009, 11:58, Reply)