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London Gangs,
Serious crime? Or stupid kids?
Documentary early hours of this morning about a 15 year old stabbed to death outside his school, for being part of a rival gang. They used YouTube videos of these lads frankly terrible rap songs to prove they were a violent gang rather than just 4 lads who wanted to rap and did something stupid. It's like listening to pop records of the moment and classing every teen girl who emulates Madonna or whoever and posts it on YouTube as a droopy cunted whore. Or all aspiring metal kids as violent psychos.
They shouldn't have stabbed the lad fair, and maybe their desire to emulate their gangster idols was a factor. What do you think?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:11, archived)
Delete please

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:11, archived)
no.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:12, archived)
OK, we'll play it your way, Mr dullthreadman

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:12, archived)
we have food threads all the time,
This might at least stimulate some conversation.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:14, archived)
HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:14, archived)
I can guarantee that 99% of b3tans won't even read it.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:15, archived)
MONO!
what do you think is the best potato based food? Chips? Waffles? Crisps? Hash Browns?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:20, archived)
They're all pretty good.
I'm particularly partial to hash browns.
You missed out wedges though, they are good, though the best are SWEET potato wedges.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:22, archived)
Wedges! of course!
I do enjoy a good hash brown. Although, if done right, mash is always a winner.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:23, archived)
WIENER MORE LIKE
I don't like mash.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:24, archived)
you confuse me.
mash is brill fab.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:25, archived)
no.
what the fuck is sausage and mash about?
toad in the hole is far superior.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:26, archived)
i'll give ya that one.
damn you and such.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:27, archived)
what about croquette potatoes

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:28, archived)
Let's face it mongy
They're a bit shit
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:29, archived)
you're only saying that coz they're little bags-o-mash

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:29, archived)
so are waffles, i'm not sure mono knows his spuds

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:31, archived)
By this logic a potato itself is just a bag of mash

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:32, archived)
well, solid mash.
like ice is just water.

or....

erm...


a cow? is just cheese? no, that doesn't sound right...
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:34, archived)
what about cocotte potatoes

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:30, archived)
I don't know what that is.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:31, archived)
A penis like a new potato.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:39, archived)
There's nothing new about MY penis.
Even the open sores have been weeping for a couple of years.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:41, archived)
that's been left in a cupboard for two weeks and has sprouted from all the eyes

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:42, archived)
ohshitohshitohshitohshitohshitohshitohshitohshit
sounds like some festering b-movie
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 21:07, archived)
i dont understand the question

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:13, archived)
I think the question here is
Who's the biggest prick?

and we all know the answer to that.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:14, archived)
well, one kid got stabbed by anothet kid,
But thanks in part to YouTube videos of the kids rapping, 5 kids went to jail for around 18 years each, when the other kids were just chasing the lad to scare him. Should association with a violent criminal brand you as a violent criminal?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:16, archived)
If you're part of a gang that fatally stabs someone
then yes, you are surely implicated to some degree, even if you didn't actually wield the knife.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:20, archived)
ok,
So how do you judge whether they are a gang, or some kids recording stupid rap music on their phones, with one latent psycho among them. In this case the other 4 were definitely bullies, but im not sure I'd class them as violent thugs.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:23, archived)

www.google.co.uk/#hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=define+gang&oq=define+gang&aq=f&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_nf=1&gs_l=hp.3..0l4.2877.4277.0.4548.11.11.0.0.0.0.193.1137.6j5.11.0.ple64mWyqYU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f02c1a31d9319a8d
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:24, archived)
Well they clearly think they're in a gang,
if that counts for anything.

What are you getting at here, exactly? That the ones who actually did the stabbing were the 'bad apples' and all the others were good kids really who just got 'carried away in the moment' or somesuch?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:28, archived)
This looks dangerously like it could turn into an interesting conversation.
Someone should probably make uncalled for personal remarks about someone else or start another pun thread before the day starts to anything other than shit.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:31, archived)
Good point.
You fat ballbag.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:34, archived)
Rising Chump.
Love Thy Nobber.
Man About The Arse.
In Prickness And In Health
The Liver Berks.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:37, archived)
Stabbin in the Rain

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:39, archived)
I guess so,
Yeah. I just wonder its a bit heavy handed give them all life sentences, when some might need a bit of guidance rather than punishment.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:36, archived)
I see what you are getting at
but, personally, I'd throw them in the limepit along with the gypos, unemployed and disabled.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:39, archived)
NEW AT ALTON TOWERS

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:43, archived)
I'm joking about the unemployed and disabled.
Although I would neuter anyone with a genetic disability. And ban fertility treatments.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:45, archived)
Well that's five 'kids' who won't be on the streets to 'just scare' anyone else for a few years.
Edit: says on the news it's three, not five, that have been give minimum 18 year sentences.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:41, archived)
The sentance won't deter other fucking idiot teenagers.
The time in jail will not reform these pricks.
It's a waste of money keeping them in cells.
If the point is to keep these cunts out of society, they should do it properly and shoot them.
And then neuter their parents and any offspring they already might have.
I'm well up for eugenics.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:44, archived)
I am playing a little devils advocate here,
As I'm not naive enough to think they were snuggly wuggly boys who fell in the with one bad egg, they probably all goaded eachother in to it, and pressure got to the stabby one, they probably weren't nice people. But I also partly agree with the ballbag, not on eugenics, but on whether 15 to 20 yrs behind bars, at the age of sixteen, is the right way to sort this sort of thing out.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:49, archived)
What would you prefer?
I'm not expecting a fully rounded perfect solution, just what sort of thing seems right to you?
I genuinely think if we want humanity to end up something to be proud of we need to start considering eugenics again. Hitler made it into something perverse. People hear eugenics and think of Nazis now. It's an emotive word and a loaded topic. Didn't ought to be.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:52, archived)
i agree that some people just shoukdn't be allowed to breed,
Drug addicts and violent criminals and nutcases. But disability is a bit touchy, plenty of geniuses in wheelchairs, or blind or deaf.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:06, archived)
Genetic disabilities and mental disorders which may affect your ability to raise kids.
As I say, Downs parents just CAN'T be a good idea.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:08, archived)
if the mccann's were downs they'd have never lost maddie with that sort of grip

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:15, archived)
Yeah, but then, they'd never have been doctors and had access to the sedatives they used to put their kids to sleep so they could fuck off out for the night which accidently caused her to overdose and them to get rid of her body, report her missing
and happily make a fortune off the back of it.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:20, archived)
Allegedly.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:21, archived)
I doubt, the McCann's are b3tans, but better safe than sorry.
After all, they are a pair of fucking sickos.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:22, archived)
Allegedly.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:22, archived)
But yeah, pretty much anyone convicted of a crime which involves a proper prison sentance should be considered for neutering.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:10, archived)
Yes, prison doesn't usually reform people
but people who are involved in this kind of violence generally don't spontaneously reform themselves, either.

If they're in the nick then at least they aren't running around stabbing anyone else.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:59, archived)
Killing them would be better.
It's more effective, cheaper and prevents them breeding.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:01, archived)
I thought gangs were only sentenced like that when it was unclear who had done the actual stabby stabby

had they proven which one of the five it was that killed him?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:39, archived)
yeah, CCTV innit.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:45, archived)
I agree with you then, there's clearly a difference in being goading dicks and actually stabbing someone


it seems a bit daily mail THESE KIDS ARE ALL BAD ALL THE TIME
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:50, archived)
It's three, not five,
and by the sound of it they all stabbed him. The others that got sent down were all armed as well, judging from what it says on the BBC - they went in armed with knives and fucking samurai swords, ffs. If you're armed to the teeth, chasing some poor lad who's justifiably scared for his life, and one of your mates shanks him and he dies, then you might not literally be a murderer but you are pretty severely implicated as an accessory to murder. Whoever actually stabbed him is almost beside the point, it was clearly a group effort.

Any number of people can be convicted of a murder if someone died from being wounded by multiple attackers.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:49, archived)
oh man if that's true I'd have to agree with you then

I think you and windypig should wrestle to settle the facts
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:51, archived)
5
And the documentary gave the impression it was one lad who stabbed him, but this article seems to say otherwise. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2077381/Guns-Shanks-gang-stabbed-pupil-death-outside-school-caged-76-years.html
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:53, archived)
See above.
Regardless of how many of them got as far as stabbing him, there is clearly some pretty severe collective culpability in a gang armed with fuck-off knives that chases someone who ends up dead.

They'd still be responsible if he'd died from being hit by a car while they were chasing him. If someone dies as a direct result of your deliberate acts then you are guilty of manslaughter at the very least.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:06, archived)
i'll concede to that,
They were all culpable to a degree.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:13, archived)
Can we pretend only one of them stabbed him? For the sake of a more interesting conversation?
Please?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:53, archived)
this might help
www.b3tards.com/u/57cc9a3be7d0f074d018/jimi.gif
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:24, archived)
helps a whole lot more than most of these cunts,

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:38, archived)
he want to know what sort of mindless prick listens to rap music

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:16, archived)
I like some "hip hop" music.
I like Scroobius Pip, DJ Q-Bert, The Menagerie and Steinski for example.
And I'm not a prick. I am a fat ballbag.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:26, archived)
I'm quite keen on Caparezza too.
But I suspect I wouldn't feel the same if I understood the lyrics.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:28, archived)
I used to like Paganini
Not so keen now.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:33, archived)
This problem wouldn't exist if we just banned teenagers.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:15, archived)
Kids need something to occupy themselves.
I recommend sports.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:18, archived)
like darts

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:19, archived)
or fishing

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:20, archived)
tiddlywinks
shove ha'penny
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:21, archived)
My favorite is "guess the length of this knife I just stuck in this bloke"

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:23, archived)
Slow reveal funtiems!

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:29, archived)
me and the missus play "guess what I shoved up you"

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:33, archived)
How are you going to persuade lads that want to be in a gang called
Guns and Shanks to throw a disc around?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:20, archived)
What you do is, you make a year of compulsory frisbee the standard punishment for anyone caught carrying a knife.
Then watch knife crime rates fall through the floor.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:23, archived)
I'll come clean, Frisbee; I don't actually think you're all that much of a prick. I just like upsetting you.
Can we start over?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:27, archived)
Upsetting people is my favorite passtime.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:29, archived)
I guess the fucking prick is too upset to forgive me.
On account of he is a massive sissy who wets the bed.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:39, archived)
I always thought it was past-time rather than passtime.
I might go google.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:48, archived)
No. I was right. It is past-time. Or pastime. Or past time. But not passtime.
So there you go.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:50, archived)
I don't think you are either.
You are what makes /talk worth coming back to.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:46, archived)
YOU WET THE BED, YOU STUPID TWAT!

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:47, archived)
WHO TOLD?!
0____0
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:48, archived)
I like Frisbee,
But I also like baldmonkey,

no wait, you're both shit.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:06, archived)
That's a neat story you got there.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:09, archived)
The story above was looking interesting
My attention whore deficiency made me want to ruin it.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:14, archived)
Aw man.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:11, archived)
The bullying here is starting to get to me.
I feel more upset than Michael Gove during a tampon shortage.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:16, archived)
More curious than the curiously recurring gove pattern

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:24, archived)
Cage fighting?

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:31, archived)

CONTENDER 1 READY
CONTENDER 2 READY
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:45, archived)
Woah

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:54, archived)

I see small town syndrome growing in size,
There's not a lot to do, so the kids they decide,
To get drunk every night, a glazed eyes disguise,
Do drugs every night, tired from their lives,
People getting off their faces for a quiet night in,
Kids rolling around the streets rowing and fighting,
But it's all just because life ain't too exciting,
And it's easier than trying to do the right thing,
But there are other choices --- if you want them,
You don't have to tow the line and just float with the flotsam,
You can build your time better when you find a passion,
The Internet and public services give free education,
So it really ain't a case of rich or poor,
It's a case of self-motivation and nothing more,
Like Billy says, whether you have or you have not wealth,
The system might fail you, but don't fail yourself
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:20, archived)
The fuck is this?

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:32, archived)
Better than your shit.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:33, archived)
I agree that baldmonkey is shit
but also with baldmonkey when he said "The fuck is this?"
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:34, archived)
Fuck off back to emosnet

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:35, archived)
Here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEitrZU-nCw
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:38, archived)
Fuck off back to /links.
Shitty knickers.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:40, archived)
yes

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:50, archived)
Alright, Quinten?
Quint-ten would be 50. I might call you L for short.
Are you pro-eugenics? Please give reasons for your answer.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:56, archived)
I certainly am
if eugenics were applied properly we could look forward to a stronger, fitter more attractive human race with all the best qualities bred in

unless thats not how genetics works and we just end up with even more fat people watching The Voice UK
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:58, archived)
If we do nothing, we'll still end up with even more fat people watching The Voice UK.
We might as well give it a go.
And, you know, it can NEVER be good for two Downs people to have a baby. But they do. It's allowed. And they do.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:00, archived)
i see it all the time, two downs parents in a pram being pushed by a baby with the correct number of chromosomes
its political correctness gone mad
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:02, archived)
I saw it on telly once.
Shit's fucked up.
All I ask is that they be neutered. Downsers, I am told, are often quite randy. I don't want them to stop fucking each other. Go for it. They are here, and they should have the most fun they can. But don't let them breed. That's just making problems.
Don't make wrongs; spay the mongs.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:06, archived)
london is wher all the killings happen

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:56, archived)
The carbon footprint of Bah-Rain has shot through the roof since they started shipping people to London so they can be murdered.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:03, archived)
I'm so sorry, I didn't read all of that
Something about gangs, is it?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:56, archived)
Basically, when I stab you, MONO, L, mmps and windy pig will all go down with me because they are in my clique.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 13:57, archived)
if we all stab him with the same knife they won't be able to prove which one killed him
and we'll get away with murder

unless thats not how the law works, in which case we should stab him anyway
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:00, archived)
Oh
Is it not better to just NOT stab me in the first place? Then I don't die and none of you ludicrous shut-ins don't have to go to jail.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:01, archived)
he's calling us names, i think that makes it ok to stab him now
and prison is the best place for a shut-in to be shut-in
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:03, archived)
Good point. I mean, I was just making an identifiable example to convey the problem, but now I reckon we have no choice.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:07, archived)
If you stab me, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:09, archived)
what about rape?

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:14, archived)
Good point, WP.
We're going to have to rethink this whole thing.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:17, archived)
stabbing can also be rape

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:21, archived)
I'll need diagrams, a knife and a box of tissues.

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:23, archived)
MODS! THEY'RE PLANNING TO STAB/RAPE ME!

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:29, archived)
An owl, whos name I shall not mention here, read this and then said
wOOOooOOooOOOO
wooooOOOooooOOOOoo
Kwaaaaaark
kwaaaaark
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:10, archived)
Hello!
How are you today?
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:12, archived)
Where the fucks Manolith?
Gets all grumpy about pun threads killing conversation, then doesn't bother joining in with a thread with both a discussion on crime, and potatoes.
(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:31, archived)
I can't wait til we stab-rape Two Hats

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:32, archived)
*glares*

(, Tue 24 Apr 2012, 14:43, archived)