I don't think the two things in your first sentence are mutually exclusive.
In fact, the two things are pretty much the same thing.
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Fray Brentos *mega-belms*, Wed 5 Dec 2012, 12:07,
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They do go hand in hand.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Wed 5 Dec 2012, 12:08,
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