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This is a link post A song for the Millbank Wankers NSFW I made this!
The dickheads who violently broke into Tory HQ made me really angry. So I wrote a song about what dickheads they are.
(I helped save b3ta! B3tan Housewife, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post Brilliant, well said Mr Housewife

(I helped save b3ta! Gawain the oven safe flan tin willy bum fart poo, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree with this entirely
In my experience of protests british anarchists are a bunch of lightweight trust fund supported wankers
who are just there for jollies and left wing girls who'll cream themselfs if you have a banksy poster.

This is getting compared to the poll tax riots, what a load of bull shit.

The poll tax riots were well brutal. Getting penned in then charged by police on horses does not compare to this. Looked like the police were scared of fighting back because they might brain the nephew of an MP
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ha! Click :)

(I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:32, , Reply)
This is a normal post They are scared of fighting back
because last time they touched someone everyone (on here) screamed about police brutality and some plod were threatened with all sorts of nasty charges.
Tie their arms behind their back and this is what happens
 (Baj does Minecraft - http://www.youtube.com/w92baj, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 3:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well said
Although I think it'd be interesting to know how many of the ring leaders of the violent glass smashing twats had links to the young conservatives, intent on de-legitimising the students position.
 (I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ah the old agent provocateur angle...
I don't credit young conservatives with that much imagination to be honest.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post I would.
Ditto for the Tory party proper too.
 (I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good point, well made :)
Hearing some toff fucktard shout "REVOLUTION!" in his best public school voice on the news yesterday had me spitting my tea out.
 (UltimateMonkey Ban this sick filth!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post One could say *smirk* it led to... *chortle*.... REVULSION!
*chuckle*
 (I helped save b3ta! mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post rar!
Kind of a bizarre thing to violently protest against.
 (I helped save b3ta! mutated monty, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post nicely

(I helped save b3ta! HappyToast Groat froth, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 16:59, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yay!
Especially enjoyed the final line, succinct articulation of a sentiment I fully support.
 (PhosphorBurnedEyes Swastika Shop opening here soon, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tree Huggers get angry

(I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Better than dick splinters I suppose.

(I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post True enough
But in my experience, British governments will do what they want to do,
regardless of what anyone thinks or will protest about.
The big question is who paid for all their campaign posters / banners?
Who did the filming?
And, why were they allowed to do so, when (normally) nobody else is allowed to do so?
 (I helped save b3ta! Darklord, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:13, , Reply)
This is a normal post Alternatively
Maybe some of them saw how ineffective peaceful protest has been the past few years and are getting a little bit ticked off? Of course the proper route to vent your frustration would be the ballot box - but then we see LibDems do a 180 on the very issue they're protesting about.

NUS have been a bunch of pussies for years anyway - career ladder to government for the executive.

I'm glad some students have got up off their arses and smashed some shit up. Good on them. They're never heard any other way. There'll always be some tarquins involved rebelling against mummy and daddy, and that that fire extinguisher idiot, but generally bra-fucking-vo - and Millbank wasn't exactly poor targetting either.
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post This
on the whole ineffective peaceful protest thing.
 (I helped save b3ta! Chilli Heatwave ,shit, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post Erm
The Libdems didn't win the election. I don't know why I need to keep pointing this out to people. They're a minority part of a coalition government, they'll get some of their plans through, but not all. The alternative would have been to get none of their plans through.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes
but this was one of their main policies, and something they campaigned very hard on. Their manifesto promised to abolish fees. Freezing them would've been a compromise, doubling them would've maybe been bearable. Tripling them is a complete sell out.

If they can't make a decent compromise on their main policies then there's no point in them propping up the Torys at all. If anything, they've allowed the Torys to cut faster and deeper with the legitimacy that a majority government lends them.
 (I helped save b3ta! greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post Precisely
Nowt more to add!
 (I helped save b3ta! SpunkyBackpack, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post You're reading the headlines and not the details
Poor graduates will pay less. Wealthy graduates will pay more. Not all institutions will start charging 9 grand a year.

And frankly, the terms of the loan are unbelievable. I wish I had access to that money on those terms.

Oh and fuckoff moaning students tbh. If you don't think you can afford to pay off your loan, then go and mop some floors for a living. Don't waste my bloody money on your crap meaningless degree.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 20:22, , Reply)
This is a normal post Simply not true.
To be honest Im tired of having to explain what the policy actually means, not in terms of the well off going to university, but lower income families. More important is in terms of our higher education sector as a driving force of our economy. We represent 1% of the world population yet contribute 8% of research. Take a look at the policy, take a look at the Lecturer's union website as well as the NUS to see what this policy means. Don't just take the frankly shambolic media coverage of this issue at face value. "Your reading the headlines" Give me a break...
 (I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post Students from lower income families won't be affected
And frankly the NUS can fuckoff, bunch of left-wing useless ignorant idiots.
 (I helped save b3ta! Pew Pew Pew! Lasers! wannabe Gong Farmer, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 9:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Really?
So the decision to scrap the education maintenance allowance which allows poorer students to access further education without being a burden on their families won't effect them at all?

Less people from poorer backgrounds getting into FE means less of them eligible for higher education...
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 (I helped save b3ta! thirdman Ia! Ia! R'lyeh Cthulhu ftagn! Ia! Ia! Mglui nafl, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post NUS? Left wing?
Haha, what fucking rock have you been living under for the past twenty years?
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post If there aren't quality graduates
i.e. ones who got into uni by virtue of talent, not wealth or family background, then they won't be there to start businesses and drive industry, and there won't be any floors for you to mop. Even creative industries from arts degrees help keep the economy ticking over, and businesses appreciate the extra income (income for them= more tax income for the country) that they get from skilled graduates.

As for my degree, if you think sciences are worthless then you can throw that laptop in the bin and go resent the education of others in a mud hut somewhere.
 (I helped save b3ta! greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:58, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hmm
I think it's arguable that the general population should be paying for the higher education of elite intellectuals who might otherwise be tempted to emigrate to the USA, leaving the UK with the runts of the litter.

However, I don't think you'll find many people who think that funding a dance degree at a former polytechnic is a worthwhile allocation of tax revenues.

The expansion of higher education might have been a valid ambition, but in practice it's lead to a huge number of graduates with worthless degrees who would have been better served by apprenticeships or simply getting a job after leaving school.
 (I helped save b3ta! WeirdWeb, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 1:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well said...
Yes, I got a grant (i'm old), but it was soon reamed off me by the University who managed to figure out that charging precisely the same amount for renting me one room with a plywood plank for a bed and conditions that would have prisoners rioting would be acceptable.

Half the idiots at that "protest" yesterday are the product of a generation of a New Labour indoctrination process that leads the unintelligent to believe they have a "right" to everything being handed to them on a platter. Too think to pass an exam? we'll go to 100% coursework. Too lazy to do that properly? We'll keep letting you re-take until you do pass/get a grade you like the look of.

As a Science graduate, I saw thousands of pounds of funding going on to toss like "Media Studies" and other joke degrees so Tarquin and Jocasta could get a degree on 3 hours lectures a week, whilst hard sciences that will actually contribute to the bettering of society and industry (Chemistry, Physics and even Engineering) were dumbed-down or had next to no funding as the retarded illiterates were too scared to take the courses in case they were "difficult".

Frankly, I never saw my grant, I still had to work and take out loans and all this generation of spoilt brats have done is devalue what a degree is worth in the job marketplace as half the "graduates" nowadays can barely tie their shoelaces... twats.
 (Chad, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 14:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Absolutely
As a recipient of a free education AND, by the sounds of it, a maintenance grant, you're in exactly the right position to be criticising people who not only pay thousands of pounds a year for what you got free, but also have no access to what kept you able to afford your pallet in a freezing box.

Gumby.
 (I helped save b3ta! Natt, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post So
"Yes, I got a grant (i'm old), but it was soon reamed off me by the University who managed to figure out that charging precisely the same amount for renting me one room with a plywood plank for a bed and conditions that would have prisoners rioting would be acceptable."

You neither paid tuition fees or rent out of your own pocket, that puts you about £7k a year better off than current students then.
 (I helped save b3ta! greedyostrich Cheese is evil! Cheddar is VOODOO!, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 0:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well said...(not)
I too am that old to get a grant for my education. Unlike you I did not simply head for the nearest hall of residence but got off my arse and found my own accomodation. As a result I lived on my grant during term time and found part time work in the holidays. However with the advent of universal property speculation from the Thatcher era onwards and the ME society, rents have gone through the roof and the number of things people see as essential for daily life have increased. Going to college has been made much more expensive as a result and one loses the opportunity to learn practical survival skills. Mind you these are not much use in a society that just says spend, spend, in order to control us by fear induced by indebtedness
 (ANTIHIPPI2, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 13:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post I love it when people miss the point...
We have too many fucktards that are bring told they have a right to a degree, when a degree was, by definition supposed to be the preserve of the top few percent of the academic achievers. We are importing people with PHDs from Eastern Europe to empty the bins, because teenagers who can barely walk and talk without prompting are being told that anything less than a PhD is beneath them. Why fo' we need tuition fees? Because that jug-eared twat Blair decided that 50% of the population should be given a university education, despite this effectively negating the whole point of Universities - i.e the really academically bright people go there, whilst those not gifted in science or the arts should get vocational training, which is perfectly fine. Essentially he stated that half the population should be above average in intelligence. Thus proving he knows fuck all about Maths and also pressurising an academic environment that was geared to under half that capacity to double or triple resources required.

The net result? A degree is worth next to nothing in the job Market, universities cost too much for the government to run and we either turn students away or increase fees.

Remember that it was a LABOUR government in 1997 that decreed free higher education was unfair and that charging for it was somehow fair - so it became the preserve of those rich enough instead of bright enough to be there based on their talent.

Yes, I had a grant that paid for next to nothing. Oh, and I didn't get food, bills or anything else included in any if my residences, so I had various jobs trying to keep myself fed whilst also doing 20+ hours of lectures and 16 hours of lab experiments a week, so it wasn't like I wa on three hours study and as much beer as I could cope with - but of course, those sorts of degrees are under threat of being lost as the Tarquins and Samanthas are too thick/lazy to do that, so they fo' Media Studies or other timewaster courses.

Frankly, I still had over £10k of debt from loans I had to take out to pay for food, heat and light - so I agree that it's no hassle to pay it ba k - the rates are tiny and they have just raised the requirement level of when it starts being paid back. It's just a bunch of spoilt brats whining about maybe having to give something back toward funding their privileged existence.
 (Chad, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 22:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post intolerance
or rather, the hope of changing up 'society', alerting us hard-nose grinders and number-crunchers, to the plight of a less-luckily endowed mass of humanity- this hope is the reason the weight of your 'worthless' humanities courses and grads grows. So you see the possibility that we're all a bit more educated as a problem?
No. The problems, sir, begin with the amount of resources being flushed by my country's superrpower militaries, and the lockstep which leads your land into our wars, and worse- eg., IMF, 'illegal' crop interdictions. But these are "human problems", created by humans, not by limitations.
 (hilarleo, Tue 16 Nov 2010, 7:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post well said sir

(Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post There's smashing some shit up to cause a fuss and then there's
throwing a fire extinquisher from a rooftop into a group of people.
That is losing some perspective from any side of the argument.
I hope he is done for attempted murder as news reports imply.
 (I helped save b3ta! Herman Blume is unique, just like everyone else, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:26, , Reply)
This is a normal post At least he was one of the few fuckers to cover his face though
Seriously, saw that Channel 4 report. Bunch of wide eyed teenagers smiling for the camera.
Who taught them how to riot?

Either they're seriously naive and are going to get a rude awakening when the dawn raid comes or they're confident daddies lawyer will protect them from the nasty police.

Plus they were all fucking smiling. Like it's just a jolly lark.
Any protest where people look like they're having fun I suspect the commitment of the people protesting.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post They do such shameful, idiotic things...
Dont you all have agents_provocateurs over there?
 (hilarleo, Tue 16 Nov 2010, 7:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's all very well,
But they smashed up an office tower that doesn't even host the Tory headquarters. There are dozens of businesses in that tower that have nothing to do with the tories, and they had to evacuate the building and get out past load of thugs smashing windows and throwing things from the roof.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:30, , Reply)
This is a normal post This, this and this.
Did I say THIS?
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post Violence is not the answer. End of story.
You expect to see violent riots on the streets of countries with REAL problems, not on British shores over an issue such as this.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post Aye.

(I helped save b3ta! JamTallons, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post 6. Across. Physical aggression, 8 letters
V _ _ L _ _ C _

Violence, occassionally it is the answer.
 (I helped save b3ta! Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:42, , Reply)
This is a normal post I couldn't have said this better myself.
*clicks*
 (I helped save b3ta! redazril I LIKE DRUGS!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post Too fucking right!

(I helped save b3ta! Jorvic, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post By 'Tory HQ'
You mean the building next door.
 (I helped save b3ta! WormuIus, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post Wasn't it on the 2nd floor - the rest was 'home' to many hard-working people
... trying to earn a crust (and get to the pub at lunch-time)
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:50, , Reply)
This is a normal post I think it used to be
in the past, but is now the building next door.
 (I helped save b3ta! wheelybird mreee!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 16:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Completely Agree
bravo Dan :D as per usual you talented swine :D
 (I helped save b3ta! FIEND, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 17:57, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nicely done
pricks
 (I helped save b3ta! Major Turd for tonight only, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post
pr cl
 (I helped save b3ta! Major Turd for tonight only, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Tory cunt


That is all
 (Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post If you are insinuating that the poster is a 'Tory cunt'
... fucking grow up you twat.


That is all. (full-stops count if you made the last 'that is all' an end to your opinion)
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post Must be a london cunt


Don't be afraid of the word 'cunt', it does mean the same as 'twat' after all.

If all you young tory voting cunts have to criticise is punctuation, then the sooner london burns the better.

Just look at where cameron's family got their money from.

Now they are doing it here.

(lack of capitalisation intended)

Usual little engerlunder.


Since when did b3ta become the young conservatives?

It'll be pro-hunting next.........................................
 (Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh shut up.

(I helped save b3ta! Major Turd for tonight only, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:08, , Reply)
This is a normal post Nice


Did you hear the accent of the child writing the song? Calling others children?

I won't shut up, because it matters. Any bank that gives bonuses while being owned by the people who are suffering.....well think about it.

Not funny, not smart. Just cunts. That is what the tories are.

I remember the last time they were allowed to fill their boots.

Did you vote for them perchance?
 (Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:21, , Reply)
This is a normal post are you blind or just suffering from amnesia?
we had a labour government. they spent more money than we had and someone has to sort it out. i didn't vote for it but i can see that it needs to be done.
labour let the banks run wild. take insane risks. bailed them out (they had no choice) and then failed to rein in their bonuses.

was yesterday about bankers or education?
 (jasondeedemilo 44% mean, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post It was nothing to do with the government


Purely the bankers.

While we give billions to banks, we undercut future education, hence the rioting.

Just write off the owner/occupier mortgages and let banks rot.
 (Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 23:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post It was All the Bankers
A contributory factor was Thatcher's efforts to do away with council housing. Many people were forced into taking out mortgages they could not afford to pay back and of course the banks were happy to provide.
The economy is now based on everyone becoming a property speculator and social control is exercised by keeping everyone in debt.
 (ANTIHIPPI2, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 12:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post No choice? Fuck off!
I was bought up to believe we lived in a capitalist free-market economy.

In my book, that means if you have a business and you run it badly, if you make bad decisions and poor investments, then your business will fail and deservedly so.

Why shouldn't that apply to the banks? What makes them so special? They fucked up so they should pay for it. Everyone else depends on the banks you say? So... fucking... what...

Should have let the banks rot, and everyone else foolish enough to do business with them.
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post Do you have any understanding about the way the World \ economy\ business \ Capitalism works ???
Would you have an internet connection to reply in such a fashion if you had no bank to pay for it ???

Sorry for repeated '???' but some people on this place have no fucking idea about how the World works .... there is no Utopian idil ffs which alows you to 'punish' power without repercusions ... sorry, but WE allowed things to get this way.
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bloody hell, you missed the point by some margin...
I did not say that that all banks are evil, nor that they should all be done away with...

...Only the ones who do not DESERVE to exist.

I agree that banks are important and necessary. The world would be very strange place without them, and many things we take for granted would not exist without them.

Any other business that runs its affairs so badly will die. That's the way a free-market works works - or so I was lead to believe. There should be no exceptions, and that includes the banks.
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post Hahaha ... ta, it's the first time I've been called young for 25 years
Get back to selling your Socialist Worker you dumb cunt ... times have moved on bum-face ... so should you.
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:03, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh, I didn't see the pro-hunting attempt at a jibe ... I was a hunt-sab 20 years ago ...
and got my licks from the huntsmen - the whole point about hunt-sab was to disrupt the hunts which we did ... and we didn't do it by breaking into buildings and breaking stuff --- that WAS direct action without the criminal damage and fucking things up for lots of people.
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:07, , Reply)
This is a normal post I thought it was the liberal cunts that were supporting this?
I expected these policies from the tory cunts but the liberal cunts were apposed to it.

Of course the labour cunts were going to do pretty much the same thing when the brown report came out.

I could have voted for the green cunts but the cunts didn't have a well thought out foreign cunt policy.
But being the cunt that I am I voted for the green cunts locally and because I support the recycling cunts.

I did vote liberal, but I feel a bit of a cunt now because they're all spreading their cunt flaps open for the tory cunt's because they smelt a wiff of power.

I would support some kind of anarcho small collective / community cunt set-up but I don't see how that's going to pay for a national cunting education system.

end of the day all the cunts are the same. You think that one cunts going to make your dreams come true then they turn around and become an arse hole.

I too do not fear the word cunt.


[edit]
BTW before you think me a tory cunt, I have appeared on the mark thomas radio show and had my policy adopted into the manifesto. I have also done my share of protests. I my left wing stripes have been earned.

Also I am now bored by the word cunt.....
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:25, , Reply)
This is a normal post Good answer sir


Lets get our cash back from the banks, and tell the bankers to fuck off.

Their input into the economy is remarkably still less than science based production. Unfortunately, we give money to the problem (bankers) and cut funding to the solution (research).

Burn london.
 (Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:35, , Reply)
This is a normal post You actually thought I was supporting you?
Ok then, lets kick all the bankers out.

Can I come to you for a mortage then? I could carry on renting but that would be supporting the tory land owners wouldn't it. I plan on buying a house and setting up a collective of children and cats.

I would rather not burn london, seeing as I live there. Also I don't think we've been keeping up with the insurance payments so we'ld get nowt.

Research into what? I already fund research into various things.

I am currently researching programing objective C and cocoa touch.
Can I come to you for a grant so I can quiet my day job?

Fuck this, I should be studying instead of writing this so i'll leave with this.
Capitalism only works if people believe in the lie that a piece of paper has value.
Socialism only works if people believe in the lie that the person next to them has value.
Anarchy only works if people believe in the lie that rules have no value.
Fundamental religious society on works if people believe in the lie that they themselves have no value.

So by all means pick your lie and start fighting to defend it, but don't bullshit yourself into thinking it's no more than a comfortable lie that will stop you screaming in the night.
 (I helped save b3ta! Cerebus Sticky! Sticky! Stick! Stick!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post well
I a currently finishing a degree in maths

Paid for by myself, with no support at all from government funds.

The point is that the capitalists tell everyone that government funding is bad.

Then come whining for it.

Then give themselves the cash.

Take all of the money away from them, they are not worth it.

And no, no mortgages, you just end up with old people sitting in houses too big for them while young people cannot afford a shoebox to live in.

Look at the rest of europe to see why home ownership is not an issue.

Burn london.
 (Montyphuq, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 23:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post Really?
"Paid for by myself" is somewhat unlikely, unless you've voluntarily taken it upon yourself to write your university a cheque for the shortfall between the current level of fees and the actual cost of your tuition which is currently subsidised by the government. I presume you didn't take out a loan at preferential rates either.

Running a country is a vastly complex process with innumerable interconnected parts. Simplistic reductionism does nothing to further the debate.
 (I helped save b3ta! daikoku has been on a ragga tip since, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Teeheehee
I read that as 'bum London'



That is all.
 (Cpl. Nobby Nobbs, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 20:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post Bravo that man
and exactly
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post 100% Top, good sir !
I would imagine many intelligent people have this sentiment.
 (mrmatt is staging a 'dirty protest' on, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 18:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post True
but I still say FUCK THE TORIES
 (asciifaceofbob bob bob bob bob bob bob bob, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 20:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post It amazes me...
..that in this song he clearly states that he's talking to the protesters who were violent, and that the rest of the protest is legitimate...

Yet the number of people who accuse him of siding with the Tories is unbelievable. He does no such thing.
 (I helped save b3ta! Kung_Fu_Russ ran out of amusing signatures on, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 20:23, , Reply)
This is a normal post
My thoughts exactly.
 (Sir Cosmo Bonsor, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:38, , Reply)
This is a normal post i like it when you argue with these people
and instead of replying with a well thought out counter argument they just get angry and call you a fucking twat (which happened recently to me when i said i agreed with the governments plan to make those on benefits work 30 hours a week).

also - bloody lazy students!
 (I helped save b3ta! Captain Pilchard The king of B-movies!, Thu 11 Nov 2010, 21:55, , Reply)
This is a normal post I
think if you read more about that policy you would disagree with it.

The fundamental idea of making those on jobseekers work can be debated back and forth, however the implementation of this policy has been appalling. I think deliberately so. The jobs jobseekers are forced to get are managed by a private company paid by the government. This company makes a profit, quite a nice profit too. What they do is farm their free workforce out to other companies that need menial tasks done e.g. shelf stacking in supermarkets. This directly causes an increase in unemployment by forcing those already in those jobs out of work. After all who is the supermarket going to employ, a jobseeker on £50 a week for 30 hours or anyone else on the minimum wage.

Essential the government is subsidising a private company to provide cheap labour to undercut the minimum wage and increase the number of people on the dole.

I imagine this policy was lobbied for heavily by employers of low skilled workers.
 (Hippo_of_Doom, Mon 15 Nov 2010, 18:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post Violence is what gets people's attention.

(sandcracker is eh, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 5:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post Exactly
Without commenting on the protest itself, or saying violence is ok. Violence and destruction is the most likely way to get what you want. If Cameron was called tomorrow by the spokesperson for the Taliban and Fathers For Justice, who do you think he would respond to?
 (TheDream In need of signature to impress clunge owners, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yeah...
The kind of attention that makes you look like a dick, and makes everyone else lose sympathy with your cause. Good work, genius.
 (Sir Cosmo Bonsor, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 0:44, , Reply)
This is a normal post millbank wankers
how would you suggest the tories should be treated after ransacking our entire society to line the pockets of their mates ?

i think a few smashed windows and a bit of broken furniture was getting away with it lightly.

i see very little else these students can do , especially since the NUS leadership is selling them out to advance their own political ambitions.

or do you suggest they sit at home and make ill-informed videos that sound like
a poor imitation of scroobius pip instead ?
 (amias, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 17:04, , Reply)
This is a normal post Oh dear.
I bought your album. Could I have my money back please?

EDIT: Got out of bed the wrong side, my apologies. Calmed down now. The album is awesome, but I still disagree with most of this song! ;)
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 18:05, , Reply)
This is a normal post I agree to an extent...
but seeing as we don't have a credible opposition to the government's plans (which are soon going to include privatising as much of our public services as they can to make money for their rich mates) there might soon be a time when violence is the only answer. After all, they're just going to ignore peaceful protests - they always do.

Good tune though :)
 (I helped save b3ta! yes yes yes man oi mate, someone's writtten 'bum' on your neck, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 18:18, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Violence will never be the only answer, because it isn't an answer at all. It achieves worse than nothing. Whatever your side on this, you have to agree that it sets the cause back immeasurably.
 (Sir Cosmo Bonsor, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post An organised, peaceful protest is no protest at all.
That is all.
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 19:48, , Reply)
This is a normal post
That may or may not be all. Get back to me when you have a point to make *pats on head*.
 (Sir Cosmo Bonsor, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 0:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post Ok, I'll bite...
So we should stick to the allocated protest areas, wave our banners for a bit, and then go home and pat ourselves on the back? Piss off. Over ONE MILLION people on the streets of London protesting the war in Iraq, and they achieved precisely fuck all.

Voting doesn't work. If anything the past year has proved that, and somehow we've ended up with a government with zero mandate, that not one single person voted for.

SO how do you suggest we bring about change? Seriously, if you think it'll help then do tell. Write to my MP? Done that, got nowhere. Write angry letters to The Times? Pfft...

Or should we just sit down, shut the fuck up, and let the rich and powerful walk all over us? Never...
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 9:56, , Reply)
This is a normal post one million protesting on the streets
leaving 59 million not protesting

tell me is it maths or the concept of democratic process that escapes you cognitive grasp?
 (d1x1e, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 22:12, , Reply)
This is a normal post Number of people who voted for current regime: 0
If it's numbers that count then you can keep your idea of 'democracy'.
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Sun 14 Nov 2010, 7:15, , Reply)
This is a normal post So a million people
from that 59 million at home you can deduct, the under 16's, the very elderly, the infirm, those that simply were unable to get to London that day. and you have over 2% of what's left turning up in London that day. Coach loads of people from hundreds of miles away turned up to represent larger groups of people that couldn't make it.

I was there and it was a massive protest, I was awestruck by the size of it. But ultimately achieved nothing. If a million people can march upon London and achieve nothing then what happens when the next million people march upon London that little bit more pissed off, believing that peaceful protest is worthless?

I disagree with violent protest, but when a million people get organised enough be in one place at the same time to protest something their government is doing, that government would be wise to at least acknowledge it. They just pretended nothing had happened.
 (I helped save b3ta! Peej, Sun 14 Nov 2010, 7:40, , Reply)
This is a normal post true enough.
but there is also a valuable concept in the "worker slowdown"- peaceful days indeed. & If a smug toff with more mouth than sense should as try to actually pat your red head, you would be wrong not get you a souvenir finger ring.
 (hilarleo, Tue 16 Nov 2010, 7:36, , Reply)
This is a normal post NOW we're spittin'!

(mr_chopper pluggin' up yo' plopper, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 20:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post Thursday 11 November 2010
The day Dan Bull lost the plot.

Shame.
 (tricyclic_looper, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 21:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post
I look forward to the day when you actually discover what the plot is, little boy.
 (Sir Cosmo Bonsor, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 0:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post I hear his next "rap" is going to be called
Be Nice To The Police from the forthcoming album Straight Outta Public School.

Can't wait.
 (tricyclic_looper, Mon 15 Nov 2010, 0:43, , Reply)
This is a normal post I like hearing him angry
It's far more credible than your standard whitey doing the raps. Perhaps we should get somebody to put eggs and flour through his letterbox and leave a flaming shitbag on his doorstep. Hell, I'd do it as long as:

a) he didn't beat me up
b) he made a rap out of it
c) he wasn't hurt by the episode, after learning the hows and whys
 (mr_chopper pluggin' up yo' plopper, Sun 14 Nov 2010, 16:28, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not so Innocent Police
Whilst I don't believe violence is such a good thing. Why is it that there is public outrage when several cops get hurt, but the public don't give a shit when, (so I am given to understand), the Thames Valley force,(so I am told), beat the shit out of peaceful ravers fairly regularly, (it appears) and get away with it just like that. Obviously the tabloids and the so called impartial BBC don't find such events newsworthy.
 (ANTIHIPPI2, Fri 12 Nov 2010, 22:39, , Reply)
This is a normal post
Probably because either you just invented the story, or you dumbly repeated the toss that you read on Indymedia?
 (Sir Cosmo Bonsor, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 0:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post Not So Innocent Police, Reply to Cosmo
Actually I have been informed of these events by close friends and my own children.I resent the slur that I waste my money on newspapers or slavishly watch the news. I expect you get your info from the products of Murdoch or Berlusconi.
[I would also like to point out that the real Sir Cosmo Bonsor died about 1850 and is buried in Great Bookham churchyard, Surrey - he certainly was a banker]
 (ANTIHIPPI2, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 12:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Haha
What a very calm reply to this terrible tory troll.
 (Hippo_of_Doom, Mon 15 Nov 2010, 18:49, , Reply)
This is a normal post Yes.
Oh God yes.
 (I helped save b3ta! PMGT -Bacon., Fri 12 Nov 2010, 23:10, , Reply)
This is a normal post blimey.
the protest would've been a 30 second news blip without the ruckus.

i find it odd that you are so vitriolic this time.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 1:41, , Reply)
This is a normal post maybe
it's because the action of a few fucking idiots has detracted from the message of the protest.

being a northern monkey hailing from a town that had it's guts ripped out the last time this lot were in power i've little sympathy for the tories.

But i've got absolutely zero sympathy for mindless fucking vandals intent on wanton destruction and murder by fire extinguisher.
 (d1x1e, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 22:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post I was born and raised in a former mining town that just elected its first Tory MP.
So I know where you're coming from. It depresses me that people have such short memories.

Regarding the protestors... Any large group of people will always have its share of dicks...

I'm sure there are plenty of police who are decent and hard-working, but I've met quite a few arsehole coppers.

I'm willing to bet that there are some decent politicians too, sadly drowned out by the loud, powerful and ruthless.

Some people are just cunts... and the guy with the fire extinguisher is just one of them. By all means do whatever you can to try and change the system, but never EVER harm another person. That should be Rule One.
 (jimi.vicious regrets criticising the American electoral system!, Sun 14 Nov 2010, 8:51, , Reply)
This is a normal post detracted form the message?
do you think they would have run a nice big news story on the student protest?

15000 people marched in edinburgh on the 23rd of october and it was barely even on the scottish news.

i'm not up for violence against the person but i won't shed tears over some windows.
 (I helped save b3ta! tickle I was away, Tue 16 Nov 2010, 19:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post you are a twat
an idiot with little idea how media works or even history
soo stupid it's unbelievable
 (rigby happened on (and with added toothache), Sat 13 Nov 2010, 3:19, , Reply)
This is a normal post says it all
twats
 (I helped save b3ta! kahuna Mangled-at-the-bottom-of-the-cliff, Sat 13 Nov 2010, 8:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post I fully endorse the sentiments of this video.
A legitimate protest, fucked up by twats!
 (I helped save b3ta! Flash_Bastard, Sun 14 Nov 2010, 0:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post You know that rap is dead as an art form
When a clueless white kid uses it to defend the establishment.

Dire.
 (tricyclic_looper, Mon 15 Nov 2010, 0:29, , Reply)
This is a normal post U Iz Propa takin it streetside Boi!
Stunning!
 (SarcasticBastard, Mon 15 Nov 2010, 11:47, , Reply)
This is a normal post A "Legitimate protest" But Too Short!
Here's sum more rhymes for size:

"Legitimate"? protest? ew, says who?
Go Conservative; Invest with tools!!

Never come across provocatuers yet?
Or are the reactions of a less-sophisticated set
what you label
'Illegitimate'??
 (hilarleo, Tue 16 Nov 2010, 8:06, , Reply)
This is a normal post aha
spot fucking on my sahn...
oh well, most of the little darlings involved will get off because mummy and daddy have got important influential jobs dont you know and we never bang up posh kids anyway...
But try behaving like that at a football match and see how long it is before your front door gets booted in at 6am
 (I helped save b3ta! bigmeuprudeboy is using powerpoint or paint...have MERCY, Tue 16 Nov 2010, 10:49, , Reply)