big dumb american (probably) vs lots of lil Mr Miyagis
ive been thinking alot about Aikido recently. im sceptical, but interested in equal amounts. given the fact that most b3tans are probably scrawny or obese IT nerds (as am I and the other people from here i konw), thought it might be of interest. now lets go kick some meat heads arse
(, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:28, Share, Reply)
Forty-four minutes long
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:30,
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And 1 second.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNeC5xT5Z9A
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Oysdgp there's nothing to smile ABOUT, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:35,
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i suppose complaining about the length of a video on the internet makes a change from just saying glass cock/ fake n gay/ CaC / DaC / in communist russia dumb is you / etc.
(, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:39, Share, Reply)
Who was complaining?
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:41,
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condensed version
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGL_vNtelrM
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Shinigawa The milky bars are on me, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:42,
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Have you ever killed a man with your bare hands?
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Mon 4 Feb 2013, 20:55,
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Would you kill to handle a bare man?
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 21:14,
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I would man handle a bear to kill.
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skeltonator Needs some new daps., Mon 4 Feb 2013, 21:18,
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It's a very real martial art.
Through use of momentum and joint locks it's very possible to chuck people about like that. I did judo for 8 years and it has similar principles.
I'd avoid ki aikido or anything that claims to use ki or chi to knock people over from a distance. That's just bollocks as this video will demonstrate... www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDaCIDvj6I
The thing you have to think about is what you want to learn it for. As a martial artist I prefer the striking arts more, I don't like the 'peaceful' self defence techniques. Some of them are hard to apply under pressure and rely on you holding the person there until help comes. Not very useful if they have a mate with them.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 21:20,
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yeah ive always been a muay thai man m'self. very basic set of moves, just lots of hitting pads and sparring, but i gave up a few years back when i realised my body couldnt really take it any more. gone for indoor climbing and kite boarding instead, but theres something quite appealing about Aikido. more a mental thing than anything else from the looks of it.
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I liked Aikido because there were 'gears in the box'
What I mean is that each technique can be used to an appropriate level. If all you need is to get your attacker to back down by applying pain, that's what you do. If you need them to be incapacitated, that's what you do. If you need to break bones, that's what you do. The hard bit is getting the techniques ingrained into your muscle memory so they just happen without having to think - but that applies to all martial arts.
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cool, theres a place nearish to me im thinking about gong to, im right on the boarder of london and surrey. any idea how much a lesson should cost? (pounds sterling)
(, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 22:13, Share, Reply)
In Manchester for an hour and a half's lesson I pay about a fiver.
Depends on the lesson though, some of the advanced classes cost a bit more.
Some clubs try to tie you in on gym style membership contracts though, so be wary of that.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 22:57,
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Kickboxing is what I do now with some Lau Gar kung fu mixed in for the self defense side and weapons.
You might enjoy kung fu too. Very technical, still striking based but not quite as intense on the shin bones. It's also pretty nasty from a fighting point of view. A lot of joint destruction, soft tissue damage and buggering up people's tendons.
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Draconacticus Reject shampoo. Demand real poo!, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 22:49,
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im currently tossing up aikido and jiujitsu, i cant unlearn muay thai, ive tried many times, instructors just get pissed off with me. if i was to do it all again, maybe capoeira as you learn to woo the ladies in clubs with your mad b-boy skillz at the same time but im too old to learn that :D
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oh and....
my scepticism comes from the whole if somebody is grabbing you, why dont they just let go and smack you in the face. from watching the video (yes all 44 minutes and 1 second) i get the impression you have to be quick enough for somebody not to realise what is happening and make their body react almost subliminally.
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In all of the techniques I was taught the first thing you do is strike* - then apply the technique
* As the chief instructor - the late, great Tom Moss - said 'Just to get their attention'.
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Attention? Or a distraction!
Nothing takes the mind off what you're doing to their arms more than a squishy nose.
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i don't know how those techniques work in Aikido
they're descended from some Chinese martial arts stuff that is called qin na, which I have trained a bit. Before any of the fancy business starts in those grabbing applications, the person doing the technique traps the hand so it can't be pulled away (if that doesn't work people train other options). Its utility has to do with moving towards a more advantageous situation than you'd be in if you just wriggled your hand free. And yeah, it's pretty hard to do properly!
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the prick of misery pierced my foot on a spiiiike on, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 22:57,
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Did it briefly...
...a few useful things can be learned early on - mainly involving getting out of people grabbing you and finger/wrist locks. But translating it to the real world is far more difficult than other combative martial arts and it's generally less useful than more aggressive styles.
There's a reason why there aren't any aikido practitioners in MMA (aside from the fact that small joint locks aren't allowed), even in the early days when there were very few rules it was mainly kickbboxers/wrestlers/Jiu Jitsu/Judo practitioners.
(, Mon 4 Feb 2013, 22:58, Share, Reply)
Aikido isn't the best tool in the box for MMA.
The assumption for Aikido would be multiple attackers all with swords.
MMA and rolling on the ground isn't the right tool for that situation.
And despite what Draconacticus thinks about 'KI' (which is wrong) I did Gracie Jiu-Jitsu back when that was the thing and Ki Aikido works as I do that too. Looks shite on film I grant you.
Different class each evening so must have been doing MMA by accident.
Systema isn't used in MMA as one guy would be dead. That would be a crap sport. Systema was fun. Good strikes.
I'm off the belief that there is no such thing as A "style" they are all focused aspects of the same thing.
Get a teacher that is not a wanker. Don't stay in the class if you get hurt too often cos one training partner is a knob.
No matter what you pick. I've made the best friends from doing Martial arts. Start NOW for that reason alone.
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