I'd love to meet these benefit scroungers everyone is talking
about living the highlife. looks like the Mail and Sun has done its job of demonising those on benefit ahead of the Gov legislation they planned to bring in. THe demonisation reduces the resistance to the cuts as they hit the most vulnerable in society(and the compulsory work schemes for those on JSA on less than minimum wage, who will hav eto work full time for their £65 per week- that's £2.16 per hour). No one protests because in the public perception they're all scroungers after all. Having worked in the Citizens Advice Bureau most people on benefit in my experience are barely existing.

I also think you'd have to be deluded to go to Uni these days and expect a full time job at the end of it (in addition to the ridiculous debt you're now saddled with). It's a game we're indoctrinated in since infants school and it's rigged to only benefit those getting the financial gain out of it (the loan companies /people selling the useless courses). it's a redundant method for an industrial type society which no longer exists. We're educated just enough to believe the bullshit and indoctrination but not educated well enough to realise there are so many other alternatives . (and instead of spending 3 years on your chosen subject go to your local library and get in for free in 6 months)

2 years ago If you took that 20 grand uni debt and instead of wasting it on their so called "education" you could have bought gold, today you'd now have about 27 grand so you could pay back the 20 and reinvest the 7 grand profit on gold again. Funny how they don't teach law and finance at school. Algebra's more important!

truth is the west is now close to a service economy , the maunfacturing and skill base was sold to China as trade agreement deals done long before we were born
( Clay hopes this bit is long enough to promote my websi, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:15, 2 replies)

When I lost my job a few years back, benefits didn't even cover the rent, never minds bills, food etc.
No doubt in the rags' and the great British public's ideal world, I'd have paid for my misfortune in a labour camp. Perhaps one with a catchy little aphorism over the gate, like "work sets you free".
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:21, closed)

You'd be surprised the amount of shit
that would be passed into policy if it wasn't for the social policy aspect of orgs like the CAB working for people behind the scenes holding back the tide. Sorry to hear about your job btw
( Clay hopes this bit is long enough to promote my websi, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:26, closed)

I've often thought we could do with some kind of electoral insurance.
The idea being that if you say stupid shit in public, on Facebook, on newspaper websites etc. you've demonstrated you're an irresponsible voter and a liability, so you'll have to a very large sum in insurance - say, a few thousand pounds - before you can vote legally.

Since this country's workforce is mainly white-collar and unskilled, it'd create loads of suitable new jobs, bring in a lot of revenue for the government, and (as a bonus) price the ignorant out of harm's way.

It'll be tricky to get into law, but if it's justified with some made-up bollocks about national security or the recession it should work.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:35, closed)

Let me guess, you'd decide who says stupid shit.

(Shippy likes linebreaks and doesn't care what you think, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:39, closed)

Well the operators receiving the anonymous tip-offs would decide between them, but basically yes.
Also, your insurance has just gone up 0.5% because you were rude and sarcastic.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:47, closed)

Insurance against what?

( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:59, closed)

Electoral insurance.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 23:08, closed)

Do you mean a tax?

( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 3 Aug 2011, 23:14, closed)

Read this.
www.b3ta.com/questions/consumption/post1306259
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 23:17, closed)

Now you're just being anoying
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurance

What the fuck is "election insurance".
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 4 Aug 2011, 6:31, closed)

being annoying
by linking you to a post that explained what they were talking about?

are you being deliberately obtuse?
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Aug 2011, 8:45, closed)

Nope, I wish I understood but I don't.
How is what he described insurance. Insurance against what loss. Who owns the liability? WTF is he talking about?

Sounds like a Stupidity Tax, but he keeps saying the words ‘Election Insurance’ as if repetition will render meaning.
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 4 Aug 2011, 9:33, closed)

I see where you are coming from.
to consider it as insurance you'd have to see it as stupid people paying out on a claim, rather than paying the premium.

Government insuring against people being stupid.

A stupidity tax. I'm all for it.
( Vipros. clever got me this far, then tricky got me in, Thu 4 Aug 2011, 9:45, closed)

Stupidity Tax already exists, it's called Extended Warranty

( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Thu 4 Aug 2011, 9:53, closed)

I agree
In part. However due to the huge increase in university graduates over the last few years a lot of jobs ask for people with degrees. It doesn't matter if the job doesn't require a person with a bachelors qualification nor does it matter if the job is totally removed from the degree you have. They just ask for it. So the choice is to go to uni and leave with a qualification and a massive debt or find it harder to look for a job. It's a bit shit really.
(Smysha Tra la la!, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:40, closed)

Which is handy if you're comfortable enough to sponge off your parents 5+ years after finishing school.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:43, closed)

Who's sponging?

(Smysha Tra la la!, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 23:32, closed)

Kids who stay on after finishing school.

( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Thu 4 Aug 2011, 2:06, closed)

what jobs though?
ones in the service economy or are you going to live in China? the living standards in the west are being standardised to match other nations.the second phase of the IMF was always spoken about as far back as the 1950s as being the structure to take over sovereign debt. They're using Greece as an example but the truth is there's few in the eurozone that haven't been cooking the books for the past decade. Factor in the deliberate deregulation of the banking industry (1998 BoE act) by the (privately owned)central banks leading to the crisis and you see how it all fell neatly into place. Just my opinion. I could be wrong

If it was down to me I'd have people learning agriculture and animal husbandry with a dash of community living instead, disengage from this parasite system or be led through increasing dependancy on it to their (the central banking masters) desired outcome. but I am a hopeless hippy

I'm getting a bit ranty now so I better leave it at that. free hugs :)
( Clay hopes this bit is long enough to promote my websi, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:46, closed)

Thing is, though the heavy industry is mostly gone, there is still manufacturing in the UK.
Supermarkets are a major driving force for the industry, not just for the companies who manufacture their products but for all the other companies in the supply chain who provide the raw materials, the product packaging, the labels, the plant equipment, the oil, disinfectant, lubricants etc. need to run the plant, the plant fitting and maintenance, the pallets and internal packaging, the distribution, and so on - the majority of these are also based here.

Sainsburys, Tesco etc. generally aren't prepared to wait six weeks for their order to be shipped from China if there's a factory in Rochdale that can do a similar or better product and get it to them in four days, even if it is slightly more expensive. The added bonus for the supermarkets is that they can easily enter a direct dialogue with a UK or European manufacturer and have closer control over the marketing, quality and development of their products; unless the supermarket concerned has a considerable presence in China they have to go through third-party agents to source their goods.
( The Mock TurtIe ™ --- Thinks you are a cunt, on, Wed 3 Aug 2011, 23:08, closed)

Mmmmm
The British workplace is stuffed full of lazy ignorant fuckers. The trick to getting on is to always work hard, always have a good attitude and always do what you say you will. Never think 'not my problem' for example. It's perfectly possible to leave school with no qualifications, let alone a degree, and work your way to a 100 grand
( Ring Of Fire A petty, drooling belming butthurt retard., Wed 3 Aug 2011, 22:55, closed)

this.

( janet aylia y'all motherfuckers need jesus, Thu 4 Aug 2011, 8:46, closed)