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Who were your heroes or villains of the last year, and why? Who inspired you? Who had you kicking the cat across the room? They don't have to be well known, you might even want to laud the achievements of your binman. (Note that "Nick Clegg nuff said" answers puts you straight onto our naughty list)

(, Thu 29 Dec 2011, 15:05)
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Last year's top villain...
...has really cleaned up his act this year, so I hereby nominate The Pope for hero of the year 2011.

Oh, silly me, no he hasn't. He's still a police-impeding child-abuser-enabling AIDS-promoting women-oppressing gay-hating poverty-inducing just-an-old-bloke-like-anyone-else-and-not-a-mouthpiece-of-the-almighty in a dress sitting on a golden throne.

With a silly hat.

Now who could have predicted that?
(, Tue 3 Jan 2012, 18:46, 27 replies)
well I wouldn't kiss his ring.

(, Tue 3 Jan 2012, 18:49, closed)
But he is infallible.

(, Tue 3 Jan 2012, 19:00, closed)
I want an infallible Pope.
I'd wave it around at football matches. It would make those infallible bananas look pathetic.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 9:08, closed)
God could have predicted that.

(, Tue 3 Jan 2012, 19:09, closed)
and dont forget the ex hitler youth bit aswell







oh and the bit about him stealing a penny chew aswell
(, Tue 3 Jan 2012, 21:06, closed)
No
Uncle Fester is a thoroughly nasty piece of work, but don't hold the Hitler Youth against him. Where and when he was a child, everybody had to join the Hitler Youth. The alternative was, quite possibly, slavery and death for your entire family.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 22:40, closed)

I know there's loads of people who will never remove their "catholic church is bad" blinkers, but he's making a pretty decent go at a very difficult job/responsibility.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 0:38, closed)
If by blinkers you mean
THE ALL SEEING EXTRA-CLARITY GLASSES OF REALITY, and if by "decent go" you mean CARRYING ON EXACTLY THE SAME AS EVER WITH OCCASIONAL BURSTS OF BEING WORSE THAT EVER, than I agree with your statement.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 4:04, closed)
To be fair
he did encourage rapists to wear condoms, so that there would be no need for an abortion for the woman raped.





No, wait a minute, he didn't did he.

He said it was alright for good family men to use them when bumming male prostitutes or something, so their wives wouldn't catch the AIDS. Couldn't follow the logic myself.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 10:24, closed)
I've yet to see any prominent or populist criticism of Islam.
The most I've seen is people just generalising that "All religion is shit", but I can only presume that it's because people are too afraid to, because they're frightened that they might get fatwahed and their house burned down.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 12:10, closed)
No virgins for you.
Oh no, you're going to burn in hell now!
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 12:43, closed)
Villain of the year
Me. For being a cowardy cowardy custard. (And for not really knowing enough about Islam to give it a proper going-over.)
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 13:37, closed)
You mean apart from Richard Dawkins saying it was probably the largest cause of misery in the world?
Or the almost ubiquitous criticism of it in the tabloids and tabliodesque tv channels on both sides of the atlantic?
Or the less rabid but equally regular discussion of the deep conservatism of traditional islam in the mature and/or leftie librul press?
Or the Catholic church and new evangelicals both portraying it as the primary enemy of Christianity?
Or the resurgence of far-right parties who've given their traditional general fascism a veneer of anti-Islam?
Or the introduction of laws in European countries specifically against Islamic cultural dress and food laws?

You mean apart from all that?

Yeah. You're right.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 14:06, closed)
^

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 14:12, closed)
Are you winking at me?
Hubba hubba.
(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 14:12, closed)
I used the word "populist".

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 14:31, closed)
And ... ?

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 17:41, closed)
None of what you've listed is populist criticism of Islam
It's all directed at "fundamentalists" and "terrorists".

No one has the balls to outright criticise Islam or Muslims, because they're too afraid to.

Christianity, however - well - that's an easy target because they don't tend to fight back.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 9:07, closed)
Don't feel obliged to admit you were talking bollocks.
Apparently procrastination and waffle is a far more dignified response than humility.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 11:01, closed)
I'm not.
Everyone cracks into Christianity, and all the teenagers lap it up with a "Yeah! Yeah!", but there's yet to be anyone seriously criticise Islam, because - rather embarassingly - they tend to get called "racist" for doing so. Despite the fact it's a religion, not a race.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 11:15, closed)
Like I said ... don't feel obliged to apologise for talking shite.
Just keep bollocking on. You won't look foolish.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 11:46, closed)
OK
Or the almost ubiquitous criticism of it in the tabloids and tabliodesque tv channels on both sides of the atlantic?

No - the Express, Star, maybe the Sun. Three shitty papers that everyone knows are shit. Wow.

Or the less rabid but equally regular discussion of the deep conservatism of traditional islam in the mature and/or leftie librul press?

Discussion. Not criticism.

Or the Catholic church and new evangelicals both portraying it as the primary enemy of Christianity?

Lynx or it didn't happen.

Or the resurgence of far-right parties who've given their traditional general fascism a veneer of anti-Islam?

I'd hardly say that there's a resurgence. There will always be far-right parties talking shit.

Or the introduction of laws in European countries specifically against Islamic cultural dress and food laws?

You mean France banning the veil? Wow.

Like I say - no populist criticism. People are too frightened.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 12:21, closed)
I think there's a difference between "people criticising something" and "criticism of something".
Most people who lay into Islam don't seem to have much of a clue what they're complaining about. If you look at its basic tenets it's a monotheistic, philanthropic, gynephobic code of behaviour - exactly like Christianity. The distinguishing factor is that Christians seem to have moved with the times: the Bible has just as many incitements to go forth and crusade as the Quran, but no-one takes them seriously any more. Similarly, the Bible waffles on about "Wives, be subject to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord", but that (thankfully) is no longer the preponderant dynamic in Christian relationships. There is still a strong vein of modern Muslim thought that it is incumbent on the woman to veil her face so as not to tempt the man, i.e. if he fancies you it's clearly your fault and you can't expect him to show any decency in his behaviour, because come on: he's the man. Thus the Australian imam who said that if unveiled women got raped it was their own fault, because they were like unto a plate of "uncovered meat" in the sight of hungry dogs, etc. etc. This sort of thought process should have died out two millennia ago but it's still being peddled by the idiocrats.

Disclaimer: not Christian, not Muslim, not anything.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 12:54, closed)
...and the aqueduct, don't forget the aqueduct.

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 17:38, closed)
snirk

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 17:41, closed)
Let's not forget the 10+ year holy war "against terror" either.

(, Wed 4 Jan 2012, 20:39, closed)
TERRIBLE BULLYING OF THE HOLY FUHRER!
Uh, I mean FATHER. Yes. Father. Definitely not Fuhrer.
(, Thu 5 Jan 2012, 3:41, closed)

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