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# Heh. Well, seeing as their *job* is explicitly to provide free stuff,
it really, really should (if breast actually is best, which it isn't, since some mothers prefer to bottle-feed for convenience, gasp, shocking un-natural behaviour). It should apply to the NHS, and *not* to Nestle.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:05, archived)
# It is,
it has huge benefits to children, in the form of inherited antibodies.

Giving a mother in a maternity ward a bottle to give to her child discourages breast feeding.

This is not in the interests of the child's health.

So what we are saying is (and I know that in some instances there are issues which prevent breast feeding) the NHS encourages bottle feeding by giving powdered milk to lazy mothers who might otherwise have breast fed, and then removing the free supply, supporting the powdered milk industry?
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:08, archived)
# My misus tried breast feeding,
but developed mastitis. The midwives still made her breastfeed, the bastards. She was in pain for days. So, what do you do, carry on, or go on the bottle?
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:11, archived)
# clear the blockage
antibiotics and teat massage.
(I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:14, archived)
# Too late,
and that wasnt an option unfortunatly. Being young and naive, we followed orders, until the missus couldnt stand it any longer.
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:17, archived)
# Carry on with antibiotics, massage and heat.
Breast feeding is uncomfortable, but I am a man and don't have to put up with it.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:16, archived)
# See above.
Honestly, the midwife never tried to cure it, just made her do it more.
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:18, archived)
# Bummer.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:26, archived)
# the NHS
(depending on location)

Has 24/7 breastfeed support teams to encourage and help new mothers with breastfeeding.
(I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:12, archived)
# I didn't deny it was best for health.
Only that it's best. I hate it when doctors act as if the only concern anybody has in life is to be healthy. It's also unfair to call mothers lazy merely because they don't wish to be physically pinned to their children all through the day.

Yes, antibodies are nice, and useful, but so is freedom of movement. There are other desires a person may have which compete with living in absolute perfect health, or with the optimum health of their child.

Mountain biking - to take a random example - would probably be most healthy if performed at home, on an exercise machine. Reduced risk of broken bones.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:14, archived)
# We agree,
WHOZZZAAA

Im exhausted, off to bed me thinks.
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:20, archived)
# Yes, me too.
Anybody else still awake wins the argument. That probably means Manley. Oh well.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:24, archived)
# Nope, I'm off too.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:26, archived)
# Its been emotional,
cya.

*hands over peace jaffa cake*
(I helped save b3ta! @RBFesquire Good luck b3ta, was nice knowing you. So long., Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:28, archived)
# I like getting hammered and smoking
I don't do those things now.

I don't like changing nappies, but I still did it.

I'd suggest (and mean) that if someone isn't prepared to care for their child in the best way that they can (and, again, I stress that there are situations where breast feeding is not an option) then maybe they should rethink breeding?

Mountain biking only hurts Manley.

Not wanting to feed the child properly is not in the same ball park.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:21, archived)
# Won't somebody please think of the children!
...is an absolutist and self-righteous mode of thought. Nothing is absolutely sacred, including children's perfect health.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:29, archived)
# Bollocks
This isn't 'perfect' health, it's no different than continuing smoking through pregnancy because you like it.

Having to feed the kid is part of having it.

I am not sating that it is fair to call mothers lazy merely because they don't wish to be physically pinned to their children all through the day. - I wouldn't expect anyone to want that, but to not do it just because one doesn't want to is lazy.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:33, archived)
# I think I don't know what I'm arguing about, actually.
I suppose I'd advise people to breast-feed because of the antibodies thing, and then accept it if they didn't want to; and the same goes for not smoking near the baby, too. I don't suppose you're saying these things should be made law, any more than I am. So we're essentially arguing about a matter of degree: how interfering and nagging we ought to be. My considered opinion is meh.
Night.
(_Felix 's school of dance and occult sciences, Thu 30 Nov 2006, 1:42, archived)