Moral relativism is perfectly valid.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 19 May 2011, 16:55, 6 replies)

Jesus was a real historical figure.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Thu 19 May 2011, 17:43, closed)

Some of the Romans seemed to think so.

( Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 19 May 2011, 17:44, closed)

One single contemporary, Josephus, who was Jewish rather than Roman, may have mentioned him, but he was mostly concerned with John the Baptist.
And a large part (possibly the entirity) of the Testimonium Flavianum is acknowledged to be a later insertion by the early Christian church, i.e. early Christians forged a historical account of their messiah. The Jews were busy contriving their entire history as the chosen people around the same time.

There are no independent contemporary accounts of any of the alleged stories of the Gospels: no murder of innocents, no miraculous feedings, no mass attendance of a sermon on the mount, no rumpus in the temple, no mass rising of the dead three days after the crucifixion of a messianic preacher. The Romans made no mention of any of these events despite keeping records of far less significant or interesting contemporary events.

Christian apologists will argue until they're blue in the face that there's no controversy about the historicity of the gospels. But there is absolutely no evidence for them.
( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Thu 19 May 2011, 19:19, closed)

In reply to my below and this.
Seems to me there was a "Jesus", but the gospels were not written about him and the Catholic church wrote most of the gospels we know to take the focus from their rampant child abuse, murder and theft.
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Thu 19 May 2011, 20:22, closed)

I didn't realise that was disputed.
Is there some suggestion that it's unlikely that at least one of the "Jesus" characters the gospels describe is real? I always had the impression that a bunch of legends relating to Zarathrustra, Mythras, and some Jewish, Babylonian and Egyptian mythology were tacked onto a guy who was recorded in at least one contemporary account?
(Me, I'm not... in any way intoxicated, Thu 19 May 2011, 18:08, closed)

See above.

( Dr. Shambolic je suis charlie, Thu 19 May 2011, 19:20, closed)