and are not British.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:01, archived)
but racism can be probably the funniest thing ever.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:05, archived)
as hard as the Chappelle show.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:07, archived)
I can't remember what it was though, as I was drunk at the time. Sorry :(
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:08, archived)
announced during a quiet moment after listening to Beethoven's 9th, by my friend Larry, who was also on LSD.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:13, archived)
are the important ones.
broccoli...
heheheheh
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:15, archived)
"To get to the other side."
Is supposed to be the most perfectly constructed joke possible and therefore the funniest thing ever.
Personally I think it's shit.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:09, archived)
On Friday I was regaling myself with these:
www.b3ta.com/questions/sickjokes/
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:09, archived)
www.b3ta.com/questions/teenagepoetry/post37762/
also:
www.b3ta.com/questions/teenagepoetry/post37774/
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:13, archived)
www.b3ta.com/questions/teenagepoetry/post37782/
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:44, archived)
I've just woken up to go to work. That link is the greatest, thankyou!
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:48, archived)
Jokes involving racism can be funny, but only if done with enough style and panache. Levels of style and panache rarely found on B3ta.
Sometimes the levels of racist, homophobic and sexist crap on the board really depresses me. I am sure the authors would claim they are being 'ironic' but it generally just makes me cringe.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:32, archived)
I have not seen very much racist stuff on this board that has made me laugh. But, there are also times when you can say racist things that are really funny but have no style or panache.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:37, archived)
but racism with irony can be incredibly subjective.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:40, archived)
like when you see a black person running.
and you know why he's running.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:42, archived)
My school last year was full of black people that got transferred here from other schools that got horrible grades based on their standardized tests. Every day at lunch they would always get in big groups and start freestyle rap competitions or breakdancing contests. One day I was sitting there with my friend, and all of a sudden there were a shitload of black people running toward one spot where either there was a fight or a dance contest. As we saw it, I remarked "somebody must have dropped some fried chicken." I don't know if that has panache, but it was fucking hilarious.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:43, archived)
but that crosses the line into general offensiveness, to me, at least.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:49, archived)
I wouldn't want to go near jokes of that ilk, unless I knew exactly how my audience were going to take it. I certainly wouldn't make pictures to post on an internet messageboard for everyone in the world to look at and draw their own conclusions.
From my own point of view, if I overheard a bunch of white kids making racial slurs agains blacks or arabs, I would assume the worst about their personalities.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:44, archived)
and that they are too often dismissed wholesale.
have you ever considered their time-saving benefits?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:48, archived)
Asian, and Pakistani, and we all make racist remarks about each other all the time. It is quite fun and funny.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:48, archived)
whenever my pakistani friend gets a little angry, I'll remark "Jeez, don't fly a plane into me." We all find it quite funny.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:50, archived)
we say, "excuse me, could you just remind me again, whose people were enslaved for hundreds of years?"
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:51, archived)
to go fuck Zeus.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:53, archived)
but would probably be funnier in argentinian broken english.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:54, archived)
He can't pronounce the "Z" he prounounces it as an "S."
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:57, archived)
about knowing your audience.
What is acceptable humour amongst a group of friends isn't necessarily going to be taken the right way by a bunch of strangers on the internet.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:52, archived)
everyone knows black people don't know how to use computers.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:54, archived)
consider that vocally anti-christian sentiments are met with much warmer responses than, say, an anti-jewish one would.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:57, archived)
and who to.
christians can easily make jokes about christianity
jews can easily make jokes about judaism
etc.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:59, archived)
on a wide scale. There's been no wide cultural assault on them like there have been on jews.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:59, archived)
"i hate christians" and "i hate jews" are both very clear statements with the exact same meaning and scope, regardless of past events.
the difference is that, in modern society, people associate christianity with conservatism, conservatism with george bush, and george bush with evil.
most culturally and religiously sensitive people are anti-christian.
sweet christ, a stereotype within a stereotype.
combustion.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:03, archived)
it's unpopular to talk this way, but our culture gives us different images for christians and jews (for sake of argument we won't talk about orthadox practitioners of either group).
I'm meant to relate more closely to Christians, it's in the photography of my TV shows, it's in the story of my movies, it's in the character development of my books.
The Jewish person is the other. He's foreign. There isn't much to him I relate to, I don't see him as a human being. When I say "human being" I think white, male, and not jewish.
If it suddenly becomes ok for non-jews to openly express hatred for jews then that image gets way smaller and I relate much less to Jews as human being than if the image for "Christian" came under a similar barrage from non-christians. Part of me still relates more, it becomes more foreign but not by much. It's still close to standard.
If you don't buy that some time rent His Girl Friday (a comedy with Carey Grant directed by Howard Hawks) and then watch some shit like iRobot. If you pay attention, the way it's shot the director makes no distinction between his male or female character. The woman is not "the other" as she is in iRobot. Her actions are not defined by her male lead either.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:16, archived)
I also will stop with the liberal indoctrination.
I would like to say I don't want anyone to be PC or that this kind of humor needs to be repressed. I just don't think anyone should claim it's good for anyone.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:20, archived)
and laughter is good for the soul. Therefore, you is wrong.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:21, archived)
it can also produce a lot of anger
and anger ain't good for nobody.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:23, archived)
should be avoided as strenuously as discrimination based on those differences should.
the destruction of social boundaries and the complete homogenization of society deprives people of a part of their identity. cultural and ethnic heritage is often a great point of pride, differences are what make society function.
anyone who claims that males and females differ in no way is deluding him/herself and the people who follow that ideal.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:25, archived)
They should be treated less. Sexism is also funny. Every time.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:27, archived)
or was it another joke?
I honestly can't tell.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:30, archived)
If you say something and someone finds it offensive, you see that as their problem.
And that is where the real problems start.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:36, archived)
and someone was offended, that doesn't mean shit. Just like if you are offended by stupid blatant racism that means nothing, then it doesn't mean shit.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:39, archived)
yes, pride is nice, but it's not necessary and most of the time it's just working to fuck people up.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:28, archived)
other than being funny. Since laughter is one of the things that is most sought after in the world, there's a good reason for racism.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:32, archived)
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:42, archived)
I don't think you have to resort to scraping the barrel of good taste.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:50, archived)
you can be funny without being racist. You do it a lot.
so as Bild says, why resort to scraping the bottom of the barrel?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:56, archived)
it makes several others laugh. And you can't please everyone.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:58, archived)
then please, point them out.
anyway, I know I can't win this argument so I'll just say this.
Racism is still racism, whether you find it funny or not. Don't pretend it somehow waters the language down simply because you are prepared to laugh at it.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:00, archived)
And, theres a difference between what I do, and real racism. A real racist would kill a black, I would only maim him a little.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:02, archived)
"i make the best fucking perogies because of my polish grandmother."
negative effect?
the point is that depending on the way you interpret it, ignoring cultural differences can be as offensive as pointing them out.
noticing that people are different is natural, what's important is the way you respond.
that being said, i know for a fact that all black people should be in jail.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:32, archived)
thus excluding people of other backgrounds and thus opening you up to conflict.
If the government were just grabbing random white people and hold them in Guantonomo for months without trial, how much more would you care? How much harder would you work to stem that threat?
I don't think you really can react any differently. You can try and suppress the behavior you find undesirable but it still comes out through the cracks and it plays out in all of the myriad chances you have to have an effect on the fate of other people.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:41, archived)
are you advocating the "there's nothing we can do about it so fuck it" standpoint?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:45, archived)
You will do what you want to do. If you know what's worth doing and what's not then everything should work out fine.
I think suppressing anything is a bad idea, it just makes things worse.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:53, archived)
but even anti-racism is a form of extremism, and fanatacism of all kinds (most commonly religious) is the root cause of the world's most heinous problems. that being said, racism itself is extremism, and so in conclusion, the secret to a happy and impossible world is that ultimate stonerism, "chill out."
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:01, archived)
sort of...
I'm not going to rule out extremism (as I am some what of an extremist) but I don't think society's answer to racism doesn't really do much.
I don't think we need to get really angry at one another or ourselves when rules are broken I think we just need to see things as they are and then we won't act against our best interests.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:08, archived)
really hate these long cunting threads down the side of the board. Why not start a new one?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:33, archived)
where the humour is in this message please?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:39, archived)
but it's over the top and stuff.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:42, archived)
basically because it pisses people off and makes these threads stretch out even more.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:43, archived)
a la andy kaufman or your average internet troll. A fine line between those two.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:45, archived)
it's easy to get pissed off at andy kaufman for his ridiculous women-wrestling and anti-southern comments, but eventually you have to stop and say, "oh shit. he's joking and i'm pissed off." if you've truly got an open mind, you can accept that he's succeeded. and once you realize that, you can then accept his message: lighten the fuck up.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:48, archived)
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(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:59, archived)
That people from different backgrounds have to be treated differently, and stay seperate, otherwise their history and heritage will somehow dissappear.
I am the product of two countries (in recent generations... god knows how many more if I go further back) and I feel like I have pride in both histories. Pride is probably a bad word to use, my background and nationality is an accident of birth, not something I have earned and should be proud of.
Anyway, my point is my history is set in stone and cannot be changed. I am free to research and learn about all my background and try to preserve and pass on anything I think is worthy of it.
My future might take me far away from the path my ancestors were on, but that doesn't mean I have lost anything.
There isn't a country on earth today that isn't a product of merging people of many different nationalities or races. You just have to go back far enough.
Cultural bounderies have never been static.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:57, archived)
I personally think no subject should be closed to humour, even if I personally find some things a bit distasteful.
As I said way up there, jokes involving racism can be funny. Racism isn't funny.
You might find racist remarks aimed at strangers subtle and brilliant humour. I find it a bit hard to distinguish from actual hatred when it's coming from somebody I don't know.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:06, archived)
my point is just that cultural differences shouldn't just be glossed over.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:04, archived)
then why not?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:14, archived)
you just have to consider the wider ramifications which could still suck even if you don't mean it.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:20, archived)
emphasis tends to devalue.
for instance, in the last decade the word "nigger" has taken up increased usage among black people. as a result, i no longer feel pressured to say "the n-word."
it's still not socially acceptable, but it has certainly been taken down several notches.
the same principle can be applied to most aspects of bigotry.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:17, archived)
but we don't need to make unecessary distinctions either. To take pride in a part of your culture is to define it against other cultures and thus seperate yourself from them. I don't think you need to do that, though I say it as a fairly proud Irish American whith a preternatural love for James Cagney..
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:29, archived)
but I think that it is the price of pride. Small pride only distinguishes you slightly while large pride isolates you completely.
That's all I have to say for tonight, I have work tommarow. I enjoyed our discussion.
/unclenches
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 8:41, archived)
most christian groups or even individuals will try to "save" or convert you at every opportunity, while most other religions frown on that.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 10:14, archived)
because you're so horrible. It's clownish. It's like All In The Family. That kind of humor is ok with me.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:04, archived)
What about in Anchorman, when the Hispanic bartender is talking to Ron in English, and Ron remarks "Sorry, I don't speak spanish." I'm pretty sure that's funny to everyone.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:56, archived)
it's not a problem of hurting anyone's feelings it's about avoiding a turbulant society. All our racial conflicts start with personal perceptions and jokes do have an effect on that.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:57, archived)
are not offended by anything. Thus you can say anything and it would usually be funny.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:59, archived)
racial predjudice feeds into alot more than just who makes fun of whom. People get disinfrachised, people live shitty lives, people get upset and riot.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:01, archived)
because of real racism, not the joking, hilarious kind of racism.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:06, archived)
it's still at someone else's expense
and I guess that's where the line starts to blur.
and here I shall stop annoying everyone with my wooly liberal fence sitting antics and try to get some rest.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:10, archived)
I know black people that make white racist jokes to me, and it's still funny, and I don't quit my job and start robbing liquor stores.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:12, archived)
it's when it starts becoming a general attitude that problems start.
Your example with the 'fried chicken' comment disturbed me rather more than it perhaps usually would because they were a bunch of people you didn't know. If they or someone else who didn't know you were joking had heard that, do you expect they'd have found it as funny as you clearly did?
But anyway, I'm not trying to lecture you, I'm just trying to point out the way I see it.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:19, archived)
based on his particular religion. I know he won't be offended and he sometimes returns the insult and we all laugh.
I make the same comments to somebody in the wrong part of Glasgow, I get stabbed.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:23, archived)
Don't say that shit to the wrong people, and you're fine.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:25, archived)
you could say it's alright to be racist as long as you're not racist in public.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:28, archived)
if you're not racist in public then you're not depriving anyone of rights or opportunities, so in what way do one person's private feelings negatively affect society?
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:34, archived)
I think my original point was in with regards to posts on b3ta.
I don't really care what anybody deems acceptable within their social circle. I don't care how they want to try and justify it to themselves and everybody else.
When I see people making racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever comments, it usually just looks like a short-cut to thinking. I try to ignore it, but sometimes I just cant.
When I see something offensive on the board with no redeeming features, I will delete it. I'll ban the user as well if I have to. And I am not even going to try and justify it, because I don't have to.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:35, archived)
in a very black neighborhood.
luckily no one heard.
maybe their stolen televisions and radios were too loud.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:28, archived)
and the way I delivered it, it was fucking hysterical.
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 7:25, archived)
Check, and check.
Texan okay? Also I live in Canada...
But, I always wanted to be a polyamorist!
(, Mon 15 Aug 2005, 6:04, archived)