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# ^this
(I helped save b3ta! Tahkcalb ω∞ for sigs, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:15, archived)
# not this. no
if you're saying that 'dead' and 'alive' are the eigenstates, then if it really were one of these already, the act of observing it (or quantum decoherence, or whatever else causes it to end up in one or the other rather than a superposition of states) wouldn't cause it to change that state, however much you did it
(I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:23, archived)
# but if a tree falls on a cat in a box in the woods and no-one is there to hear it
will the cat live or survive?
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:28, archived)
# peacocks don't lay eggs
(I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:29, archived)
# You find me something not observed first. LOL
That's where it gets wierd for me. Just because
YOU are not locked onto its frame doesn't mean
something else is already. Or even will be later...
My brain gets mushy right about there...
(I helped save b3ta! Tahkcalb ω∞ for sigs, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:30, archived)
# it's quite simply
if something is unprovable, it is equally true and false.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:35, archived)
# Fine enough.
Yet, applying that to the physical realm is
much more difficult. Criteria of "state" is
where I get lost in the idea.
(I helped save b3ta! Tahkcalb ω∞ for sigs, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:43, archived)
# yes.
that's where the problem comes in. he devised the problem to attack that hypothesis.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:57, archived)
# this is why a lot of people are doubtful about the whole 'something observing it is the special thing' business
besides, even if it was that, the idea is that it's not been observed from outside since you set up the 'thing that kills it that depends on a decay event' apparatus. those observations beforehand wouldn't matter

anyway, enough of this. he only thought it up as a 'wouldn't it be an odd situation if this happened?' kind of musing, didn't he
(I helped save b3ta! plentyofants more ghee, vicar?, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:38, archived)
# it was an unsolvable mathematical joke played on his mate
oh, those mathematicians, fucking hilarious lot.
(I helped save b3ta! drbroon abloooobloobloo, Thu 26 Jun 2008, 1:41, archived)