Well that's how I see it and many others.
Wont happen in my lifetime.
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The fact that lots of people think something doesn't make it true.
Though you're probably right that it's going to be a while before we see AD in the UK.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 11:31,
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why do you see it that way?
Who has told you that assisted dying does not take the wishes of the patient in to account?
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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 11:39,
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dignitas_(assisted_dying_organisation)
"they provide assisted suicide for people provided that they are of sound judgment and submit to an in-depth medical report prepared by a psychiatrist that establishes the patient's condition, as required by Swiss courts."
"The person who wishes to die meets several Dignitas personnel, in addition to an independent doctor, for a private consultation. The independent doctor assesses the evidence provided by the patient and is met on two separate occasions, with a time gap between each of the consultations.[2] Legally admissible proof that the person wishes to die is also created, i.e. a signed affidavit, countersigned by independent witnesses. In cases where a person is physically unable to sign a document, a short video film of the person is made in which they are asked to confirm their identity, that they wish to die, and that their decision is made of their own free will, without any form of coercion. This evidence of informed consent remains private and is preserved only for use in any possible legal dispute.[citation needed]
Finally, a few minutes before the lethal overdose is provided, the person is once again reminded that taking the overdose will surely kill them. Additionally, they are asked several times whether they want to proceed, or take some time to consider the matter further. This gives the person the opportunity to stop the process. However, if at this point the person states that they are determined to proceed, a lethal overdose is provided and ingested"
The patient takes the drug themselves, it's assisted suicide, not murder.
I assume from your lack of reference you haven't found anywhere that says Doctors can kill who they want
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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 14:03,
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......assisted murder then.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Shipman
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really?
is that your actual response or are you trolling?
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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 15:04,
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So your argument against legalising assisting someone to die
revolves around the fact that forcing someone to die is illegal, but happens anyway?
Oh, boy.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 15:20,
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It just underlines the point that some Doctors and medical staff may also operate under an 'agenda'
Thus embellishing the argument 'its too much, too soon'
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No it doesn't.
Well, it does in the trivial sense that Shipman's agenda was to bump off grannies for his own gain; but that tells us nothing at all about assisted dying. But it says nothing in any more fundamental sense; to make the argumentum ad Shipmanum ignores the fact that Harold shipman was not engaged in
assisted dying, and — vitally importantly — that since the illegality of neither AD nor murder actually stopped him, it’s unlikely that current legislation would suffice to stop others killing people against their will either.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 15:49,
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Im trying to say.....
If you give someone 'carte blanche' to use assisted suicide ,there always will be abuse. Till the NHS is tightened up, its impractical to implement, not only for this reason, but for the general malaise that haunts the NHS. Not to say it will directly affect terminal patients, rather that its akin to giving a moronic teen the keys to a Maserati after his 100'th crash.
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you've ignored the facts every single time
there is no 'carte blanche' for one doctor to make a decision.
You would have to convince the patient, their family, a psychiatrist and other doctors before you killed an assisted death patient.
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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 20:07,
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I admire your faith.
but with the NHS is in such a mess, your approval of this methodology is the scary part.
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what personal evidence do you have of the nhs being in a mess?
it works extremely well in my recent experience
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HappyToast Groat froth, Mon 7 Apr 2014, 21:50,
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