I don't think the two things in your first sentence are mutually exclusive.
In fact, the two things are pretty much the same thing.
( Fray Brentos www.youparklikeacunt.com, Wed 5 Dec 2012, 12:07, Reply)

They do go hand in hand.

( Dawn Of The Bread $$$$$$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE $$$$$$$$, Wed 5 Dec 2012, 12:08, Reply)