So, the Met are issuing 9mm hollow points to their firearms squads now...
Seems a tad OTT to me, but what do I know?
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:01, Share, Reply)
Seems a tad OTT to me, but what do I know?
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:01, Share, Reply)
I'm not sure what you mean
If you've got to the point where you're shooting a gun at a criminal, chances are things have already got a bit OTT. At least they'll be effective.
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If you've got to the point where you're shooting a gun at a criminal, chances are things have already got a bit OTT. At least they'll be effective.
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Charles de Menezes
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If that's an argument at all, its for disarming the police completely
My point is that, if the police are in a situation where they have to fire their weapons, 9/10 they're intending to kill that person. If they don't want to kill the person they'll use the wide variety of non-lethal weapons they have- tasers, attack dogs, bean bag rounds, baton rounds, tear gas etc.
You can't say you want to give the police lethal force and then say "but you can't use those bullets, you might kill them".
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:34, Share, Reply)
My point is that, if the police are in a situation where they have to fire their weapons, 9/10 they're intending to kill that person. If they don't want to kill the person they'll use the wide variety of non-lethal weapons they have- tasers, attack dogs, bean bag rounds, baton rounds, tear gas etc.
You can't say you want to give the police lethal force and then say "but you can't use those bullets, you might kill them".
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FMJ bullets leave an exit wound, which is generally a lot more horrific than an entry wound
Hollowpoints not only have more stopping power but also 'tumble' and stay lodged in the flesh.
FMJ's are really quite barbaric and outdated. The only reason the military don't use them is because of a stupid peace treaty dating back to WWI that prevents them from making a more informed contemporary choice.
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Hollowpoints not only have more stopping power but also 'tumble' and stay lodged in the flesh.
FMJ's are really quite barbaric and outdated. The only reason the military don't use them is because of a stupid peace treaty dating back to WWI that prevents them from making a more informed contemporary choice.
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I think the point is;
There may be something / someone *behind* the exit wound that you don't want to hit. These bullets would eliminate that risk.
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 11:29, Share, Reply)
There may be something / someone *behind* the exit wound that you don't want to hit. These bullets would eliminate that risk.
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 11:29, Share, Reply)
"Hollow point bullets are prohibited to the public"
Errm No, they're not.
High standard of reporting as usual.
If they REALLY want to stop someone they should use Glaser safety slugs.
Google it
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Errm No, they're not.
High standard of reporting as usual.
If they REALLY want to stop someone they should use Glaser safety slugs.
Google it
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They contradict themselves in the article by saying deer hunters use them
Unless they're army deer hunters....
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:35, Share, Reply)
Unless they're army deer hunters....
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yeh
ott, but that headline made me laugh, if only because it's so Daily Mail
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:25, Share, Reply)
ott, but that headline made me laugh, if only because it's so Daily Mail
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:25, Share, Reply)
"He's getting away, guv!"
'Quick, use the death bullets!'
What is this shit?
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:31, Share, Reply)
'Quick, use the death bullets!'
What is this shit?
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 0:31, Share, Reply)
They would be better off giving them some .44 magnums and hollow points
Might breed a load of dirty harry clones but at least it would give them a fighting chance - going into a gunfight against heavily armed terrorists with nothing more than a handgun is akin to pissing in the wind.
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Might breed a load of dirty harry clones but at least it would give them a fighting chance - going into a gunfight against heavily armed terrorists with nothing more than a handgun is akin to pissing in the wind.
( , Thu 12 May 2011, 1:39, Share, Reply)
Ape ing
He said rifles were for wounding and leaving someone as a demoralising influrence
Whilst if you really wanted to make a big hole in someone you used
Your side arm.
Ignore title, brain fart
[edit] christ I was asleep when I wrote the above.
I was referring to a drunken pub chat with a squadie.
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He said rifles were for wounding and leaving someone as a demoralising influrence
Whilst if you really wanted to make a big hole in someone you used
Your side arm.
Ignore title, brain fart
[edit] christ I was asleep when I wrote the above.
I was referring to a drunken pub chat with a squadie.
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