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# Then vote for someone you think is closest to being able to make a real change.
Sitting at the sidelines and complaining is simply childish.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:09, archived)
# Sorry but that just wrong on every level
what you are saying is that if you can't vote for what you want vote for anything else as that's better than voting for nothing - just wrong!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:11, archived)
# Sorry - I forgot to add that there should be a "None of the above" option as well
For people who are too stupid to be able to turn up and spoil their ballot paper (which means it is counted).

If there's nothing to vote for, start your own party or don't express opinions on pololotics - it's pretty simple. If you're not doing something to change what you're complaining about, clearly it's not so bad.
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:18, archived)
# ^ this
with tiny, delicate bells, carved from emeralds plundered from the very jewel-vaults of Xerxes himself, on.
(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:21, archived)
# I'm a socialist and I will always vote for that option if it's available
often it isn't and standing in elections isn't as easy as you think (yes I have been on that side of things) you have to pay £5,000 and if you don't get 5% of the vote you lose your deposit which is a major deterent for many people and parties from standing. So what do I see on my ballot sheet? Tory, Lib Dems, Labour, BNP, UKIP and if I'm lucky some near left alternative like Greens or some Socialist Alliance which are my first preferrences but if they don't stand then they can kiss my arse I'm not voting for any of the rest!
(I helped save b3ta! maiden is filmed before a live studio audience, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:23, archived)
# this is why voting forms should have "re-open nominations" or "none of the above" on them
whether voting is made compulsory (which i actually sincerely doubt will happen) or not, there should be the option of showing your antipathy towards the choices you've got. something better than not showing up or just spoiling the paper. if enough people vote for "none of the above" it might be a sign to smaller parties that this is a constituency that can be targetted properly.
(I helped save b3ta! boris the spider, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:26, archived)
# But voting is spectacularly unlikely to make any real change, irrespective of the system
because candidates have an incentive to be as vanilla as possible, and any radical suggestion will almost certainly be watered down to make it palatable to the majority.

Voting gives the impression of political activity; I'm not sure that it counts as much more, though.
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:21, archived)
# Hitler 1932, Attlee 1945, Thatcher 1979?
They all made some pretty big changes
(benito vaselini no not that one, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 11:54, archived)
# ...
Exceptional cases make for bad rules...

Hitler was hardly what we'd term a free and fair job, though. Atlee I'll grant you, although there the circumstances were exceptional. Thatcher, I think, was nowhere near as radical as her fanboys make out. All she did was paint in more stark terms the basic drift towards economic libertarianism that had marked the previous decades (and, arguably, most decades since the early 19th C).
(I helped save b3ta! Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Thu 14 Apr 2011, 13:46, archived)