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# Oh gawd
he's off again.
(I helped save b3ta! Flowerpot No longer has the vapours thanks to DTH, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:15, archived)
# haha.
real men are only judged by cubic capacity ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:18, archived)
# My dad drives a 7.2 litre four by four
but he lives in Ontario in Canada, where the snow is like five foot deep at times

I don't have a problem with the 4x4, just in areas like Highgate in London, where you really have to be a complete cunt to drive one

given the motor industry has just spent twenty years making the saloon safer when it impacts humans, the fashion in 4x4 cars has just blown all this away
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:19, archived)
# I think my main problem with them is the 'aesthetically pleasing' metal bars you can get mounted on the front.
You know, just around head height for a child.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:22, archived)
# So what happens when I
hit a cow? You want me to die?
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:27, archived)
# They may have a purpose in the countryside,
but they have no place in a town or city.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:28, archived)
# But, and this is just an idea,
one has a car in order to move from the countryside into town, or vice versa.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:33, archived)
# I did consider that and hoped noone would notice.
My point still stands for people travelling purely within a city.
(I helped save b3ta! my other username is a porsche , posting shit pictures so you don't have to, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:34, archived)
# I'd have one of these
just to leave in my garage. It could keep my bikes company.
tinyurl.com/2u8tex
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:33, archived)
# Nice!
I want a 130 with a 110 estate body and a 20" pick-up.

I also cannot afford a pasty.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:37, archived)
# fair enough.
I live here. And to be honest I won't even take the beemer into london let alone a 4x4.

zootcadillac.deviantart.com/art/Home-58066445
(I helped save b3ta! Pasanonic 's been known to cause insanity in laboratory mice, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:22, archived)
# Yep
4x4 country, rural roads at the very least are a bit wonky, I have experienced a ditch in Wales coming off a 750cc bike

But this issue really erks me; i'm not some environmental nutter, it just completely stuns me how selfish certain elements of middle-class society can be with their choice of urban vehicle. The school run? 4x4's basically kill kids forwards at least at 25mph, and yet they feel safer. Reeks of selfish wanker to me.
(I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:33, archived)
# I like being up higher.
That said, I don't understand the school run at all.

On the few occasions that I have used the car (because I am either late coming back from somewhere or going straight to somewhere from school) I find it takes longer than walking because there are so many Chelsea tractors blocking the roads.
(I helped save b3ta! LordManley twitter.com/LordManley, Thu 17 Jan 2008, 23:35, archived)