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Bindun? I've been away being busy in the real world
Nobody ever points the finger of blame at the people without tickets who stormed the terrace do they?
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Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:16,
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of course notbecause then a section of the liverpool population wouldn't be deserving of our sympathy and that wouldn't be right
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twig Save 6 Music,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:18,
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*narrows eyes*you clearly work for the Sun...
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Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm...,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:20,
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I loved the Sun's headline yesserdy"GIVE US THE TRUTH FOR THE 96" hahahahaha they are soooo desperate to get the Liverpool market back.
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Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:22,
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"We didn't say those things! Honest! It was... err... The Mirror!" Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm...,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:24,
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actually... They've already tried that(
Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:25,
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McKenzie really is a shit isn't he...? Sonic James Doom forgetting the date since... umm...,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:30,
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I saw a fab documentary where one of the editors (presumably the sports editor)went up to Liverpool to ask them why they still weren't buying it. It was ace.
He interviewed one guy who proceeded to produce the original copies of the paper from those days - the ones with all the accusations of looting and everything hahahaha
The eds response was essentially, "Yeah but ... no but ... yeah but ... it was 20 years ago though ... " hahahahahaha
(He interviewed one guy who proceeded to produce the original copies of the paper from those days - the ones with all the accusations of looting and everything hahahaha
The eds response was essentially, "Yeah but ... no but ... yeah but ... it was 20 years ago though ... " hahahahahaha
Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:34,
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That was Kelvin MacKenziewho was the editor at the time.
Complete and utter tosser.
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:40,
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He's there!Wearing a Doncaster Rovers top.
And yes, I always wondered why the thousands of ticketless scousers charging the gates never get mentioned with blame. I suppose the Sun tried it and as a result effectively said goodbye to any revenue coming from the Merseyside area.
Ooh, bit long this post!
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Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:19,
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And yes, I always wondered why the thousands of ticketless scousers charging the gates never get mentioned with blame. I suppose the Sun tried it and as a result effectively said goodbye to any revenue coming from the Merseyside area.
Ooh, bit long this post!
That was the guy.... McKenzieI liked the story he made up about Elton John having his guard dogs voiceboxes removed because they kept him awake barking. And sent a reporter along who confirmed they certainly were barking.
Woof!
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Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:31,
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Woof!
I really fucking hate Kelvin McKenzie?Did you see him on the Heston's Feast thing? Still a smug prick.
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Zuowan,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:41,
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nice to know you know so much about ityou southern,idiotic shit.
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Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:45,
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care to educate? Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 12:28,
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But why did the police open the Leppings Lane gate?And I think it has bindun
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M3rx likes the Asian ladies,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:19,
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I knew it!He's to blame - it all makes sense now
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Panjandrum brought to you by tea and biccies,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:21,
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maybe I should have done Where's Kelvin Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:23,
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he's not even fucking trying any more... money has made him soft, he wants to be found - he loves the fame and recognition...
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Prof UnderCover evitable,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:23,
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and he couldn't be bothered with any rissing Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:24,
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Or at the lack of medical/qualified peopleto put them in the recovery position. This could have saved quite a few lives
source - research not the newspapers, my misses is reading a science journal on it and PVS victims
(source - research not the newspapers, my misses is reading a science journal on it and PVS victims
boff FL OZ,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:27,
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"Long and Dull" warning:Interesting point. This the disaster which brought about the Taylor Inquiry, which produced the Taylor Report, specifying minimum standards for medical cover:
- There must now be at least one approved and designated First Aid room in any stadium.
- There must now be 1 Trained First Aider onsite per 1000 spectators. This is usually made up of SJA volunteers.
- There must now be 1 Trained "crowd" Doctor onsite if there's over 2000 spectators.
- There must now be 1 Fully equipped Ambulance (NHS or approved alternative) onsite if there's over 5000 spectators.
Some places exceed standards. Cardiff Millenium Stadium, built entirely post-Taylor, has 12 minor First Aid rooms spread evenly around the ground, each with a complement of standard first-aiders, and a well-equipped main room crewed with more-advanced staff. Others are... less impressive.
Although it's important to remember that even if we'd had twice the Taylor-numbers on that day, there would certainly still have been fatalities. It's easy to look at 96 fatalities and assume that they died purely for want of basic medical care. But first you have to triage the most critical from the 800+ casualties, in a confused setting; no easy task which would have overloaded any reasonable medical attendance. The recommendations are not about having enough people and kit in place before a disaster, to prevent any losses while dealing with it internally; they're about keeping people alive while a larger external response is mobilised.
Of course, the blame for Hillsborough is spread wide. Spectators certainly contributed; no-one could get crushed at the front if no-one was pushing further backwards. Gross negligence in ground management, stewarding, and policing certainly contributed.
But then, could either party could have made their mistakes if the others hadn't let them? Even the persons who ordered the unannounced roadworks on the M62 has some small responsibility, failing to warn people of the need to depart earlier.
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Fri 17 Apr 2009, 12:59,
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- There must now be at least one approved and designated First Aid room in any stadium.
- There must now be 1 Trained First Aider onsite per 1000 spectators. This is usually made up of SJA volunteers.
- There must now be 1 Trained "crowd" Doctor onsite if there's over 2000 spectators.
- There must now be 1 Fully equipped Ambulance (NHS or approved alternative) onsite if there's over 5000 spectators.
Some places exceed standards. Cardiff Millenium Stadium, built entirely post-Taylor, has 12 minor First Aid rooms spread evenly around the ground, each with a complement of standard first-aiders, and a well-equipped main room crewed with more-advanced staff. Others are... less impressive.
Although it's important to remember that even if we'd had twice the Taylor-numbers on that day, there would certainly still have been fatalities. It's easy to look at 96 fatalities and assume that they died purely for want of basic medical care. But first you have to triage the most critical from the 800+ casualties, in a confused setting; no easy task which would have overloaded any reasonable medical attendance. The recommendations are not about having enough people and kit in place before a disaster, to prevent any losses while dealing with it internally; they're about keeping people alive while a larger external response is mobilised.
Of course, the blame for Hillsborough is spread wide. Spectators certainly contributed; no-one could get crushed at the front if no-one was pushing further backwards. Gross negligence in ground management, stewarding, and policing certainly contributed.
But then, could either party could have made their mistakes if the others hadn't let them? Even the persons who ordered the unannounced roadworks on the M62 has some small responsibility, failing to warn people of the need to depart earlier.
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It's a question you could only ask if you didn't know anything about Hillsborough, 80s football or crowd control.Pretty much.
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Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:40,
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Actually it's a question you can ask under any circumstance Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:43,
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sorryForest fan here, my Dad was there so I'm very aware of why it happened. While the systems responsible for dealing with the situation failed almost uniformly, they wouldn't have been put in that situation if the thousands of Liverpool fans without tickets hadn't turned up at the ground and rioted.
I sympathise for the families of the innocent 96, but to be told I should feel sorry for the whole of Liverpool every April for the last twenty years is a little bit hard to swallow when some of those voices are from the ones that stormed the gates.
If the police had waded in with batons twirling to stop them, the scousers would now be complaining about police brutality. The fans that had no reason to be at the ground put a strain on the policing and stewards and directly caused what happened.
(I sympathise for the families of the innocent 96, but to be told I should feel sorry for the whole of Liverpool every April for the last twenty years is a little bit hard to swallow when some of those voices are from the ones that stormed the gates.
If the police had waded in with batons twirling to stop them, the scousers would now be complaining about police brutality. The fans that had no reason to be at the ground put a strain on the policing and stewards and directly caused what happened.
twig Save 6 Music,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:46,
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Where's the Hysel memorial...?I don't see a big deal made of the 39 Juve fans that died there.
Still they've always got their Munich songs to keep em happy
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Joe Scaramanga with a G-double-O-D vibration,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 11:54,
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*applauds* Griffin Saver Something, something, 2006, something.,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 12:00,
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I whole-heartedly concur with this statement! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!,
Fri 17 Apr 2009, 12:13,
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