?Being a liberal for the sake of being a liberal rather defeats the point mate.
It's a lovely jelly fish, but there are an awful lot of people into Islam who hold down very nasty beliefs. It's apparently acceptable to point out fingers at the BNP and cry 'wankers' but not them. Is it because they are non-Anglo-Saxon? Loads of these people harbor simply disgusting views on women etc
(It's a lovely jelly fish, but there are an awful lot of people into Islam who hold down very nasty beliefs. It's apparently acceptable to point out fingers at the BNP and cry 'wankers' but not them. Is it because they are non-Anglo-Saxon? Loads of these people harbor simply disgusting views on women etc
Jahled Three shades of black,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:25,
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tell us more about their views on etci for one am very concerned about etcetera
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OneOfSome,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:28,
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they're very good at stoning etcfor wearing trousers etc
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Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:36,
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it's odd thatsome of the nicest, most moderate Muslims I know still have really odd views on women
( Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:38,
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Same here to be honest, and I have largely nothing against Muslims as a faith as a wholejust seems odd when you point out elements of it as simply abhorrent, as in anything in life, people shit their pants, as if they are suddenly classified as Daily Mail readers. A grim state of affairs; or simply liberal cowardice
( Jahled Three shades of black,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:52,
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haha yeahoh god we mustn't offend the Muslims - let's have a go at the Christians, they're fair game
( Mighty Nibus who dares gins | @nibus,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:58,
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For the sake of being liberal!Terrible shit goes on all over the world, it's not just the Islamic countries that have nutters.
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Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:42,
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That is exactly the predictable and meaningless response I knew was comingand entirely why i've pushed my neck out in a hope to get beyond, but there you go
( Jahled Three shades of black,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 22:55,
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Sadly real on this"arrogant too." I wonder why ;)
( Jahled Three shades of black,
Thu 13 Aug 2009, 23:46,
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I no longer understand what either of you are saying.What exactly are the main points you both are making? Is it that the other person is a cockmuncher.
asciifaceofbob, how do you feel about the statement "Westboro Baptist Church seriously needs to grow up", or is that not equivalent since Islam as a whole is much larger than a tiny American sect consisting of one family, but then would you deny that Islam has a distinctive culture which tends to respect those who attack gays, women, science and jews more than many another culture does?
Perhaps that should be "a distinctive culture within it" given that Islam is very big and somewhat varied and often clashing with itself. Then again the misogynistic, gay-punishing aspect of it does appear to be the mainstream, at least among authority figures in many Islamic countries (probably there are one or two completely benign countries with prevalent Islamic-styled religion, in Africa maybe). Then again trying to define what the mainstream of anything is is, well, it's pretty subjective, although you can be sure there is one.
And then of course when I say "benign countries" I really mean "benign authorities", and the influential people in a country are one thing and the general masses are another, see: Iran. Having said that, they are all aspects of the same culture, although it's hard to say where the culture ends or even which culture it is (it could be the culture of the country, or the religion). If a culture can be described, it can be criticised, regardless of the fact that people are masters of their own destiny and not bound to follow whatever we imagine their culture tells them to think. The part where any individual person is ascribed to the culture, in the sense of being culpable for all the bad ideas we see in it, is unfair. Despite this, it's fair play to identify and criticise the culture as a set of ideas.
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Thu 13 Aug 2009, 23:54,
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asciifaceofbob, how do you feel about the statement "Westboro Baptist Church seriously needs to grow up", or is that not equivalent since Islam as a whole is much larger than a tiny American sect consisting of one family, but then would you deny that Islam has a distinctive culture which tends to respect those who attack gays, women, science and jews more than many another culture does?
Perhaps that should be "a distinctive culture within it" given that Islam is very big and somewhat varied and often clashing with itself. Then again the misogynistic, gay-punishing aspect of it does appear to be the mainstream, at least among authority figures in many Islamic countries (probably there are one or two completely benign countries with prevalent Islamic-styled religion, in Africa maybe). Then again trying to define what the mainstream of anything is is, well, it's pretty subjective, although you can be sure there is one.
And then of course when I say "benign countries" I really mean "benign authorities", and the influential people in a country are one thing and the general masses are another, see: Iran. Having said that, they are all aspects of the same culture, although it's hard to say where the culture ends or even which culture it is (it could be the culture of the country, or the religion). If a culture can be described, it can be criticised, regardless of the fact that people are masters of their own destiny and not bound to follow whatever we imagine their culture tells them to think. The part where any individual person is ascribed to the culture, in the sense of being culpable for all the bad ideas we see in it, is unfair. Despite this, it's fair play to identify and criticise the culture as a set of ideas.