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This is a normal post Your workplace sounds a laugh a minute.
"if you think having a job, any job, is worse than sitting on your arse, flicking the bean to jeremy kyle and becoming progressively less employable" is a false dichotomy.

Most people with strong ambition usually have to go through an unemployed phase to get there.

Achievable ambition should be encouraged and helped. "Get any job" does not do that.

I'm sure people's belief that it is somehow very important that everyone should have a job is merely a post-hoc argument formed to justify spending 70% of their lives doing something for someone else that they don't enjoy. Do any people who love their work get upset with the unemployed in the same way? Be interesting to know if there is any correlation between job satisfaction and dislike of the unemployed.

It is important that people who work are rewarded, but I don't see how everyone working would be in any way a good thing. There are not enough real jobs to go round as it is. What is done is important, not how many people are doing it.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 13:37, , Reply)
This is a normal post so you think it's acceptable
that some people should choose not to work, and others have to pay for them.

Why don't we all choose not to work? What's your selection process?
 (I helped save b3ta! JeremyBeadlesHands, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post False dichotemy again.
Do you really think "choosing not to work in an irrelevant job to your qualifications and trying to get a job on the first rung of the right ladder" is the same as "choosing not to work"?

Do you really think work done fairly relates to money earned?

Do you think people who work are more moral?

We don't all choose not to work because being on the dole is awful and shite and most people would rather have the money to support the nicer lifestyle. Does anyone work thinking "I am working purely to pay my share of tax"?

Conversely, why do you choose to work? What do you add to society through your work?
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:45, , Reply)
This is a normal post As Jeremy Kyle I..... oh I see what you mean.

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:17, , Reply)
This is a normal post At the risk of making a slippery slope argument...
Do you think that people who do full time jobs should be allowed to, say, jump the queue for an operation on the NHS over people who do part time jobs. They have paid more for it.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 14:52, , Reply)
This is a normal post That's actually a very good point
Do we measure the value of a citizen based on their contributions in tax?
 (I helped save b3ta! Jahled Three shades of black, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:02, , Reply)
This is a normal post it's funny,
when I first left Uni I didn't claim benefits for the first two months because I thought I'd be able to get a job without that much difficulty and having "not paid in" I felt a bit bad about claiming it. At that point I discovered my parents' attitude had changed from "scroungers claiming benefits they haven't paid in for" to "we've paid into the system all our lives so you could claim it!"
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:09, , Reply)
This is a normal post Well, my Mum never paid tax. Never received benefits. Just became a drain on society being a mother.
Same with those people who do something nice for you without getting paid for it - total scum.
Now, the sales person who pestered my Grandma and bullied her into things she didn't need, well he was a model citizen, he paid tax aplenty. Just like those saints who run cold call centres.
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:24, , Reply)
This is a normal post I have barely any ambition at all,
and I still had to go through an unemployed phase to get there.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:01, , Reply)
This is a normal post My ambition is to just sit around
reading and messing around on the internet all day.

That's why it winds me up when people say it is easy to achieve that ambition via the dole and then not tell me how to actually do it.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:11, , Reply)
This is a normal post the fact that the number of unemployed
has gone up from 1.6M to 2.5M since 2008 ought to tell us that 900,000 people are now unemployed because of that bit of global financial trouble you might have heard about, and not just because they are lazy.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:20, , Reply)
This is a normal post I found it impossible to be lazy on the dole.
I was in a constant state of panic as to how much everything costs.

You need to be able to relax to be lazy.
 (I helped save b3ta! monkeon schmonkeon, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 16:53, , Reply)
This is a normal post yeah it gave me good habits though,
I still balk at the idea of paying for anything I don't really need.
 (I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 17:16, , Reply)
This is a normal post the amount of time you have to furiously masturbate is what relaxes you

(Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:27, , Reply)
This is a normal post The hatred of the unemployed comes at a time when people have been forced into unemployment due to economic conditions
The rise in the number of unemployed includes those who previously worked. There are simply less jobs than before.
Take it to an absurdity, imagine if there were only 100 jobs in the country. Would the millions of unemployed be therefore morally wrong?
 (Victoria'sBeard Different political view? I hate you!, Sun 17 Feb 2013, 20:14, , Reply)