New India Gang Rape: Woman Hanged from Tree after Sexual Assault in Bihar
Sorry for the lack of funnies, but I'm not sure if this is something new or just being reported finally. Sad and scary.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:00,
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Just look at those comments!!
Wow.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:04,
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idiots, all of them.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:08,
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I like all the comments saying give them all guns to protect them whilst conveniently ignoring the fact that would also mean the men would be potentially armed too.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:19,
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It's bizarre
even for the bottom half of the internet.
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Fadgebadger (1 like), Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:42,
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I read where women requesting firearm permits have risen over 600% in India
But the kindly gentleman behind the desk said something to the effect of "we have to explain to these women that firearms are only for instances where there is real danger." Dick.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:52,
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I wondered how long it'd be
before you turned this into pro-gun propaganda. And so the process begins...
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:56,
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Actually, Bready mentioned it first.
I offered no pro or con, just an observation.
www.salon.com/2013/01/02/gun_applications_on_the_rise_for_indian_women/
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:01,
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To be fair it's impossible to read any story in America at the moment which doesn't seem to descend into blaming Obama and the fact he wants to take your freedom and guns. It fucking amazes me one man can singlehandedly be responsible for so much and that an instrument of death and paranoia can actually define a modern civilised nation.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:06,
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It is a repeat of the last administration in which GW Bush was responsible for abusing civil rights, starting wars and causing hurricanes to kill black people.
Something needs to be done for Indian women, however.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:09,
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Yes, it's a great opportunity to push the U.S's agenda of being allowed to own guns, because in America rape never happens.
Home Of The Brave.
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:14,
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Like it or not, it's not an agenda, it's a constitutional right, like with free speech, freedom of conscience, or the right to vote.
You may disagree, I understand that.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:17,
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Of course it's a fucking agenda.
The Constitution is a set of laws governing a political system. It represents a particular view of what rights and duties there might be. That's a view that may need revising from time to time, as happens in every other country. It's not at all odd to suppose that a document hastily cobbled together a couple of centuries ago might be - y'know - past it in parts. The Constitution is not god-given; it is not a law of nature.
It is very, very difficult to amend the Constitution, but that doesn't mean that it is or ought to be immune from amendment as a matter of principle. Simply pointing out that some activity or other is guaranteed as a right by the Constitution in no way demonstrates that it ought to be.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:32,
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So you disagree with my beliefs and my culture. Get in line.
But because you disagree with me does not make me evil, or even my culture evil. Rational people can disagree without name calling and vilification. I don't want that aspect of the Constitution changed: I agree with it.
I disagree that it was hastily cobbled together; it represents thought of many years and spanning philosophies; and some believe it is god given. You may disagree: I will still be your friend.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:36,
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"... does not make me evil, or even my culture evil."
Well, you certainly know how to defend yourself against things that noone has said. Well done you.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 21:07,
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It's interesting that the Koran, Bible and Torah
can be seen as out of touch because they were written for another age but that the US Constitution is still held as relative. Although two out of the three are still taken literally by powerful bodies in the US, I suppose.
Actually, forget about it. I suspect the Venn intersection of people who think the Abrahamic faiths' texts are flawed and those who think the Constitution is infallible is pretty small.
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gingerfreak Why? Why not., Mon 14 Jan 2013, 21:08,
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What about the right NOT to be shot and killed by some nutter\
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mr.dogshit The world's premier anthropomorphic canine faeces, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 22:27,
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Compare the UK and US.
Reported rape figures are slightly higher over here. But it doesn't follow from that that the availability of guns has anything to do with it. For one thing, we don't know how many rapes actually do take place: noone thinks that reported numbers are a good guide. It's even possible that lower rates of reported rape indicate an environment that's more hostile to women, on the basis that the more comfortable they are reporting it, the more likely they are to do so.
Still, there's a number of questions that need to be asked, and they aren't all easy. Suppose wider availability of guns did reduce rates: would the price in terms of an increase in gun-deaths in other contexts be worth paying? Could we guarantee that only the bad guys would get shot? Would we want guns as a deterrent anyway? After all, that'd seem to open the way to shooting people on the basis of a suspicion that they might be about to rape you - which is not obviously desirable. Neither is it obvious that we'd want people to take the law into their own hands anyway.
The idea that the dip in gun safety is mitigated by an increase in safety in other respects is a crock. But it needs to be countered head-on.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:39,
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But there are studies from Yale and Harvard that indicate that an increase in gun ownership has an effect on reducing crime because criminals don't know who is armed.
Compare that to crimes that happen in places like Chicago and New York, where firearm ownership is all but prohibited: the number of homicides, assaults, hot burglaries and sexual assault are higher.
As for rape, I suppose you would have to ask a woman if her sanity and security are worth it. I would not want it to happen to any woman I know.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:45,
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Beware of any study that cites some statistics
and then uses the word "because".
Crime rates correlate more strongly to poverty than to anything else. Chicago and New York are big cities in which poor people have easy access to middle class neighbourhoods.
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Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:55,
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You're poisoning the well by implying that I'd want it to happen to anyone at all.
Of course I don't. It doesn't follow that I have to accept everything that might possibly reduce its rate. If women weren't allowed out without a chaperone, that'd doubtless reduce the rate, too; but that's not the proper response to the problem, and it'd be absurd to think it was. It's not obvious that arming people'd be the proper response either.
There's a lot of things that might be supportable to reduce violent crime of all sorts; but not everything is. It's a long way from being obvious that firearms are the way to go.
You're conflating, too, the number of reported crimes with the number of actual ones. LIke I said: a higher rate of reporting might actually indicate a better environment, inasmuch as that people are more willing to take the effort to go to the police in the first place.
The fact that a study is from Yale or Harvard or Oxford or Cambridge tells us nothing about its credibility. It a quick look at the news will show that homicide rates are much, much higher.
With what are we supposed to be comparing NYC and Chicago, by the way? It's hardly surprising that crime rates are higher in cities than elsewhere. It's hardly a mandate for guns.
And there's any number of studies showing that, if you really want to reduce crime, it's going to require all kinds of social intervention in terms of welfare, education, and so on. There's even a public health aspect: there's a very close fit between a drop in the use of leaded petrol and, about 20 years later, a drop in the rate of violent crime. Implication: exposure to lead in the developing brain makes it more likely that the owner of that brain will be violent in later life. And violent crime around the developed world has been falling since about the 70s.
The point is that there's all manner of ways in which you can explain patterns of crime and crime prevention without having to mention guns once. All of which makes your belief in the redemptive power of the pistol look, at best, ill-founded.
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Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 21:05,
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I liked this
www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20536201
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gingerfreak Why? Why not., Mon 14 Jan 2013, 21:14,
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Remind me to never engage you in an argument...
*Doffs cap*
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wheresthefish Partly filled with wrong, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 21:22,
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The ol'...
...jumping-out-of-a-bush-with-a-knife-and-a-raging-boner style rapes are in the vast minority, I should imagine. Therefor gun ownership would make very little difference to incidence of rape as perpetrators are more often than not known to the victim, even trusted by them. Certainly in the western world anyway.
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Pro-tip about those statistics
The guns got banned in urban areas like New York and Chicago BECAUSE of the increasing murder rates. It's a response to the issue, not the cause. Perhaps you'd like to speculate how much lower or higher the crime rates would be without the added gun control - but it would only be speculation.
On the flip side, the locations with lower gun crimes and lax gun control tend to be more rural; with sparse populations, less poverty, better education etc. (confounding variables which greatly influence crime rates as well).
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maninahat Too many cocks spoil the brothel., Mon 14 Jan 2013, 23:52,
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Stop trying to take away his freedom!!
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Dawn Of The Bread $$$$ E-THUG 4 LIFE - THAT'S HOW I SCROLL $$$$, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 20:01,
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The worst are the instances where a woman goes to the police and is raped by the investigating officer.
And then when reported to his superior, the superior officer rapes her. Sheesh!
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 19:14,
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Started to read that and I couldn't take it.
What the fuck is wrong with these animals. The world should be way way past this by now. Sure rape is going to happen now and again, let's be realistic, there are maniacs out there, but fucking hell.
FUCKING HELL!! these countries better fucking shape up and get with the program.
It's tempting to go over there on a rampage, murdering these sick fucks.
I'm angry now.
Dear god.
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Sorry. I felt the same way to be honest. I have two daughters and can't imagine the lifetime of psychological trauma that rape causes.
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BrokenCoccyx doesn't mind if you grope on, Mon 14 Jan 2013, 21:05,
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