Family plans is completely inappropriate, how can you not know that?

( Naked Ape call me Caitlyn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:52, 2 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

I was rather wondering that.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:52, Reply)

I knew that
My Ex-boss didn't (or he did and most likely thought this bit didn't actually apply to HIM) and asked not one but THREE applicants the same question in interviews - even after being briefed by the HR manager.

The Financial controller/Company secretary managed to keep the subsequent costs down.
This was only three years ago BTW.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 10:58, Reply)

So, given that you know this, and therefore we can assume that you're unlikely to do the same since you profess not to be a complete retard
we can only really conclude that your "outright refusal" to do interviews is another one of those things about you, where you appear to take great delight in petty obstinacy.
(Bazongaloid, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:01, Reply)

it is
and yet i always find that a bit harsh on the employer, especially small employers. if you take someone on, and they promptly disappear for a number of months afterwards, it can be v difficult. also, i have no kids and don't intend to have kids, so i am expected to cover at all the evening functions/client events where those who have to go home to look after children can't be there. and i yet get paid no more for giving up all that free time.

it's really difficult. i have no idea what the answer is that could keep the employer, the family people, and the single people, all happy.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:06, Reply)

Simple answer
Don't give up free time. sell it. That's what employment is, selling your time/skills to someone who expects to make a profit for aforementioned time/skills.
The argument 'It's part of the job' is utter bollocks in 2012. You are selling your heartbeats, sell them dearly.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

this is the best troll post on here in ages

( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:19, Reply)

Not trolling, I mean it.
Far too many employers get more than they pay for. If i went to a supermarket and paid £100 for groceries and then decided to take up to 30% more than I'd paid for, I'd be a thief. So is any employer who expects unpaid work. You want it, you pay for it.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:26, Reply)

My contract (and I imagine Swipes and a lot of people's here)
simply stipulates that I must do what is necessary to complete my job. No fixed hours, no specification of not working weekends, or evenings, or all night if necessary.

So I fail to see how any of your post makes sense to my job. Plus, doing the bare fucking minimum is a sure fire way to never get anywere in your chosen career.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

Who mentioned the bare minimum?
'simply stipulates that I must do what is necessary to complete my job. No fixed hours, no specification of not working weekends, or evenings, or all night if necessary.'
That's not a contract.
That's almost slavery. Seriously? You have absolutely no control over how many hours of your life your employer can demand?
Small edit. Have you opted out of the working time directive?
Take what you're paid/year. Divide it by the hours you work/year. That's your hourly rate, whether your contract says you're paid hourly or not.
Make a decision as to whether that amount of money is worth an hour of your life that you'll never get back.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 12:03, Reply)

Except you can go home at the end of the day, have a nice supper, catch up with Eastenders, maybe plan a three week break in Lansarote, come back in the next morning for seven sharp all refreshed and ready to tackle the problems of the day
instead of mumbling about what your contract states, traipsing in at 9.05 clock watching for the day, and leaving at 17.01, huffing and puffing if you have to empty the bin next to your desk because these are precious heartbeats that you're giving away when it should be the contract cleaner doing that instead.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 12:17, Reply)

Biiiig leap there Rory
My beef has probably been subsumed here. I'll lay it out.
A contract is between two legal entities. If you're happy with your contract - fine & dandy with me. I, however, make sure that I get paid for what I'm selling, like in any business transaction. If the contract is too onerous on one side it's up to you if you take it. Just remember when you're sitting there getting bollocked/disciplined for being 20 mins late that your employer won't even remember the extra 120 hours work you did - FOR FREE - last/this year/quarter/month. I've seen it happen, shit, it's even happened to me.
Employers are no longer philanthropists in stovepipe hats building orphanages and throwing sixpences out of their carriage windows. They are the customers of your time and skills. As with any customer, treat them as well as you can afford but don't let them steal from you.
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 12:43, Reply)

Dunno, that' a crap attitude that has held you back from promotions and caused your redundancy in the past
Comparing heavily regulated employment in a G20 member of the European Union to slavery is pretty pathetic.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 13:01, Reply)

You may think it's a crap attitude but it's just business
Businesses work that way, why shouldn't employees? I reiterate, it's a sale. You selling your skills and time to someone for money. They then sell the proceeds/product of your skills and time for profit. I'm not adversarial with employers, I'm honest. If the contract doesn't suit either of us we're free to walk away*, no hard feelings.
Never lose sight of the fact that, if you give something for free, the recipient places no value on it. If you give your time for free, your employer places no value on it and may/will come top expect his/her extra 20% for free. What you give away devalues what you sell, if you're selling your heartbeats you're devaluing your own life.

*Just done that
(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 13:12, Reply)

Right, I'm off to the pub.

(Captain Placid 24/7 ball gags, brownie mix and clown porn, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 13:17, Reply)

I would have thought that being morbidly obese should really be your concern in terms of 'devaluing your own life'
Forever thinking that your employer is getting one over on you doesn't sound like it's particularly conducive to you being productive, happy, or liked at work.
( Light In Chains maker of the ikea sofa, Tue 14 Aug 2012, 13:18, Reply)