Still not seen asensible thought through argument but have seen plenty of liberal fascism. Nobody is suggesting harming homosexual people but there's plenty of 'Burn the churches' attitude around here. People who believe in a god can be harmless or harmful, good or bad, paedophiles or non-paedophiles. For you to advocate mass destruction of what they believe in places you alongside every other tyrant who walked the earth. The hateful claptrap is on the other foot I'm afraid, just read through these posts and you'll see it. I come from a time when I could decide what I believed and am now living in a time when people of vastly less experience of life are telling me what I am allowed to think. Progress? I think not.
Oh, and thanks for the zoology lesson. You really do know specious don't you?
(Oh, and thanks for the zoology lesson. You really do know specious don't you?
edjogs Collared doves are shit.,
Sun 28 Jan 2007, 17:29,
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go eat a bus.you're defending bigotry because you think that the traditions of insipid death cults should be honoured and valued over real people. your accusation of 'liberal fascism' is laughable -- there is no need for anyone with a liberal (or any) outlook to make a case for the extending of rights and privileges to people of all sexual orientations. the case must be made by those seeking to exclude any one person or group that their reasoning is valid and based on reality, not the assumptions of what amounts to the oral traditions of a cargo cult. a failed game of broken telephone championed by corrupt thieves and hallucinating gullibles eager to listen to the commands of imaginary beings should render one fit for an asylum, not policy- or lawmaking.
churches should be burned because they are almost universally corrupt black holes sucking the lives out of the communities that tolerate them and allow their untaxed extortion to continue. when they begin open, honest review of their fiscal practises, stop operating as brainwash camps, cease functioning as zealously political champions of oppressive regimes and edicts and end all their physically and psychologically oppressive and harmful predation, then they may be allowed to stand.
go back to your time of tolerance of the intolerant and spoken and tacit agreement for the vile tactics of the god-botherers. we here in the present don't need the snake charmers of the past to have any effect on our sane, sensible lives. and, if you think that knowing and communicating basic zoology is specious, you're a fool. the sort of fool who is likely opposed to the teachings of evolutionary theory, likely, and therefore not worth the life coursing through your body.
(churches should be burned because they are almost universally corrupt black holes sucking the lives out of the communities that tolerate them and allow their untaxed extortion to continue. when they begin open, honest review of their fiscal practises, stop operating as brainwash camps, cease functioning as zealously political champions of oppressive regimes and edicts and end all their physically and psychologically oppressive and harmful predation, then they may be allowed to stand.
go back to your time of tolerance of the intolerant and spoken and tacit agreement for the vile tactics of the god-botherers. we here in the present don't need the snake charmers of the past to have any effect on our sane, sensible lives. and, if you think that knowing and communicating basic zoology is specious, you're a fool. the sort of fool who is likely opposed to the teachings of evolutionary theory, likely, and therefore not worth the life coursing through your body.
postbear has metal knees,
Mon 29 Jan 2007, 3:30,
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Well there I was, a gay athiest ,thinking that an adoption agency would know enough about choosing suitable parents for vulnerable children. I have absolutely no doubt in my mind that a good and kind heterosexual father figure would benefit a straight boy more than I could. When other children find out or even suspect you are gay they can make your life intolerable. I don't even want to think about what it would be like for a straight lad when his peers find out about his two dads. And if you think your "rights" laws make any difference they don't, and they never will. You cannot change attitudes by legislation, in fact you invariably make things worse for reasonable people and harden the attitudes of the bigots.
Since this discussion started other major religions have now sided with the RCs on this issue. I know this is another opportunity to vent your bile on anyone who ever believed in god, whether they were good or bad people, but I can tell you from personal contact that a great many lay people also agree. Unfortunately there is no room for a proper discussion to take place because of the sort of tirade I have seen here if anyone dares to disagree that EVERYBODY has a RIGHT to adopt children.
I believe everybody should have equal rights but that doesn't meaan all people are suited to all situations.
I can remember the dark days when gangs would regularly bus into town for a spot of "queer bashing" (also "nigger bashing"). This mostly died out, not because of legislation, which was already in place, but because others gradually accepted homosexuality until eventually the law was changed to allow it. Over a period of a couple of decades people became more accepting of differences, through integration and discussion. Now the pendulum has swung right out through the side of the clock and we have to be multicultural, multi- genderal and never say how we actually feel about important issues. Positive vetting is the buzz-policy everywhere you go. What the policymakers and their followers don't seem to realise is that positive vetting automatically produces negative vetting of someone else, in otherwords prejudice. This in turn produces resentment, but this time from the majority, which makes life harder and harder for people like me.
So by all means keep up your crusade and continue to present your extremely constructive and rational arguments, I loved the one you made about all the gay male cavemen sitting around babysitting while the straights went out hunting!
All I ask is that if you ever see me in any kind of predicament, for goodness sake don't speak on my behalf, I can manage very well without a stoning thank you.
Tolerence, if anything, is what will save this troubled world and you my friend are so consumed by your own anger and hatred for your fellow men that you have no room for any.
(Since this discussion started other major religions have now sided with the RCs on this issue. I know this is another opportunity to vent your bile on anyone who ever believed in god, whether they were good or bad people, but I can tell you from personal contact that a great many lay people also agree. Unfortunately there is no room for a proper discussion to take place because of the sort of tirade I have seen here if anyone dares to disagree that EVERYBODY has a RIGHT to adopt children.
I believe everybody should have equal rights but that doesn't meaan all people are suited to all situations.
I can remember the dark days when gangs would regularly bus into town for a spot of "queer bashing" (also "nigger bashing"). This mostly died out, not because of legislation, which was already in place, but because others gradually accepted homosexuality until eventually the law was changed to allow it. Over a period of a couple of decades people became more accepting of differences, through integration and discussion. Now the pendulum has swung right out through the side of the clock and we have to be multicultural, multi- genderal and never say how we actually feel about important issues. Positive vetting is the buzz-policy everywhere you go. What the policymakers and their followers don't seem to realise is that positive vetting automatically produces negative vetting of someone else, in otherwords prejudice. This in turn produces resentment, but this time from the majority, which makes life harder and harder for people like me.
So by all means keep up your crusade and continue to present your extremely constructive and rational arguments, I loved the one you made about all the gay male cavemen sitting around babysitting while the straights went out hunting!
All I ask is that if you ever see me in any kind of predicament, for goodness sake don't speak on my behalf, I can manage very well without a stoning thank you.
Tolerence, if anything, is what will save this troubled world and you my friend are so consumed by your own anger and hatred for your fellow men that you have no room for any.
edjogs Collared doves are shit.,
Mon 29 Jan 2007, 17:42,
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