
From the The Daily Mail challenge. See all 249 entries (closed)
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 18:50, archived)
disagreement with the comparison between small minded bigotry represented by the Daily Mail and a clever, articulate man who's most famous speech has sadly created an image that most people have.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 18:59, archived)
If you don't agree with the prevailing orthodoxy around these parts, you'd better shut the fuck up. That's what it says, I'm sure.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:00, archived)
Right?
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:06, archived)
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:02, archived)
do you know if Happy Toast finished his holiday cards? He's not around right now or I'd ask him. Thanks.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:03, archived)
I'll be sure to ask him when I see him.
/actually, would be interested to know myself!
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:05, archived)
and come what may will be available to the general public tomorrow evening at the latest.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:07, archived)
I know they are finished.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:10, archived)
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:06, archived)
I think I was still lurking at the time.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:10, archived)
You are a man of vision, of whom we would expect no less.
*pokes with stick*
Got a new Ep to watch tonight!
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:06, archived)
really back into it, the net is definitely closing!
/only 10% left to download of The Dark Knight from axxo, which will be my evening's viewing.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:07, archived)
I'm off to see that at the Imax over t'weekend...
\o/
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:09, archived)
and even his most famous speech wasn't saying "out with the nig-nogs", it was warning that uncontrolled immigration could be dangerous for the cohesion of society
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:00, archived)
since they make "immigrants" a subject of fear and hate.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:09, archived)
after all Powell was the one who opened the very floodgates of immigration he predicted would be the end of our society.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:00, archived)
although I accept that at times it must be remembered that it came from an old man, who used some old fashined words and styles. The general message and some of the specifics were not only correct, it turned out, but remain so.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:04, archived)
he started the immigration programme and then he predicts it will flood our society - so yeah it's ok to have foreigners in the country as long as they know their place and only do the jobs none of us British Folk want to do and of course they don't start inviting their families over here and having lots of kids demanding rights and well "There goes the neighbourhood!"
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:08, archived)
if by starting the immigration program, you mean getting British subjects from overseas who were already resident in this country better jobs than otherwise would have been available, then yes, he did that, as health minister. In the NHS.
I quote from wikipedia:
"Later, he oversaw the employment of a large number of Commonwealth immigrants by the understaffed National Health Service.[39] Prior to this, many non-white immigrants who held full rights of citizenship in Britain were obliged to take the jobs that no one else wanted (e.g. street cleaning, night-shift assembly production lines), often paid considerably less than their white counterparts."
He never said anything about inviting families or knowing their place or anything that could be so construed.
You're simply re-enforcing my comment above about an image that people have.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:16, archived)
but none the less no matter how you put your edge to his views - he was a right wing twunt who did nothing to help cultural intergration. Many immigrants were used as nothing more than cheap labour well after Enoch Powell's time and from the very foundations of the Rivers of Blood speech the likes of the National Front and the British Movement sprang up - so don't try to persuade me he was a jolly good ol' chap who was misunderstood!
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:24, archived)
and don't get me started about the BNP and the NF, I am fully aware of the evils that they do. Once again, reading what they want to from that speech.
I don't like Enoch Powell especially, I just don't see him as being in any way comparable with the scaremongering of the Daily Mail, or indeed in any way related to the extreme right movement of today or the past.
Which was my only comment in this thread to start with.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:28, archived)
upon wikipedia for fuelling your internet debates.
Especially not when you want to discuss Enoch Powell who regardless of your image of him and even regardless of his one famous speech, was an extreme far right racist. And I mean racist in the dictionary term and not in the manner that is is bandied about today by people more ignorant that you could make them believe.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:38, archived)
I'm currently able to afford.
Well said, sir.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 21:08, archived)
it doesn't bear comparison to The Daily Mail's simplistic demagogy purely to sell their papers based upon people's fears. And yes the Right Wing Extremeist did take the Powel speech out of context. But Enoch Powell did himself no favours by throwing a bone to those dogs - speaking of Rivers of Blood and Floods of Immigrants is always going to be used by the demagogues!
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:38, archived)
Powell defended his speech on 4 May through an interview for the Birmingham Post: "What I would take 'racialist' to mean is a person who believes in the inherent inferiority of one race of mankind to another, and who acts and speaks in that belief. So the answer to the question of whether I am a racialist is 'no'—unless, perhaps, it is to be a racialist in reverse. I regard many of the peoples in India as being superior in many respects—intellectually, for example, and in other respects—to Europeans. Perhaps that is over-correcting."
The attraction of wankers such as the National Front to his speech was unfortunate, but ultimately highlights Mr horrible's original statement above about filth like the Daily Mail
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:35, archived)
is not meant as a blanket term for those who feel superior to everyone not of their race.
A racist can quite easily choose to be selective in his choice of which man is less worthy.
Powell was very clearly intolerant of West Indians or ( wide-grinning piccaninnies as he is on record as calling them, something he attempted to sue newspapers over but later dropped because he had not a shred of evidence for his feeble excuse of "quoting a constituent")
Like many of the right of his day. They were happy that the 'Windrush' folk saved Britain from economic meltdown after the war but come the late 60's when it was all fixed again they found it distasteful to have 'these people' having the same right to the same benefits as 'us people'.
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 20:10, archived)
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:03, archived)
its amazing how opinions differ on such subjects though is it not?
(, Thu 13 Nov 2008, 19:17, archived)

