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# I just ran this bloke through the benefits website to see what would happen
I was as unpleasant as I could be.

Child Tax Credit £53.41
Housing Benefit £69.05 per week
Council Tax Benefit £0.96
Child Benefit £20.00 per week
Total weekly income £143.42 per week
(Richard Earl of Cambridge Cruel, Savage, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:00, archived)
# Christ
seriously? I knew I'd got something wrong by not claiming a bean over the past 30 years, but not that fucking wrong
(I helped save b3ta! Ptolemy the man with the silent pea, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:03, archived)
# In defence of my fictional bloke
He was paying £300 a month and fuck all council tax with an unemployed wife and two dependants.

If I hadn't rushed through it selecting the lowest common denominator for everything he would have been entitled to an awful lot more.
(Richard Earl of Cambridge Cruel, Savage, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:06, archived)
# Actually in his pocket that's about a tenner a day
to support two adults and two children.

I know a very wealthy man indeed whose company is currently in "product development" and has been for about four years. For every £1 he pays in corporation tax he gets £1.75 back.

As a director he doesn't have to pay himself minimum wage so pays himself £1 per hour.

People like him cost us a damn sight more than your fictional bloke and all those like him.
(twattybanjo, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:17, archived)
# I dare-say his partner could claim support as well.
I told the calculator that he had a wife.
(Richard Earl of Cambridge Cruel, Savage, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:28, archived)
# Maybe it's taken that into account.
poor fictional man...
(Richard Earl of Cambridge Cruel, Savage, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:29, archived)
# you have to make a joint claim.
that would be the total for the two of them.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:29, archived)
# I'd still rather it went to him
than the rich cunts who bleed us of far more because they can afford accountants who know how the system works.

Benefits in this country are pitiful compared to most of western Europe and it's because our poor are so poor that our economy tends to go into recession before others, goes in deeper and takes longer to recover.
(twattybanjo, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:32, archived)
# ^ This.
When you read about how much Tesco and other large corporations avoid in tax by importing goods through several countries between source and the UK it makes benefit fraud pale into insignificance.
(I helped save b3ta! wuffle, the b3ta bunny 's flea collar isn't working on, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:55, archived)
# or when you read about how much the Iraq war cost(s).
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:58, archived)
# Not just large corporations.
I'm a partner in a fairly successful company and if we took advantage of every loophole and grey area we'd be paying next to no tax. All the partners are old lefties so we don't mind coughing and indeed can afford to.
(twattybanjo, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 21:05, archived)
# I'm intent on paying no tax ever again myself,
by liberal use of Giftaid.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 21:08, archived)
# That could just work!
We're a funny bunch in the UK, we want American levels of taxation and European levels of service.

I travel quite a lot and really we don't know how good we have it here.
(twattybanjo, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 21:14, archived)
# It's true.
No matter how corrupt we think our lot are they are nothing compared to some of what's out there.
(I helped save b3ta! wuffle, the b3ta bunny 's flea collar isn't working on, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 21:17, archived)
# it is a flawless plan
so long as you don't mind donating so much to charity that it leaves you with little more than your 6k a year allowance. You get 28% back on whatever you donate though, I'll have to work it out.

EDIT: it actually leaves you with slightly less than your allowance, after N.I.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 21:20, archived)
# leaving him with £74.19 a week
wow, I'm such a sucker for having a job that pays me more than that in a day.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:17, archived)
# minimum wage is £5.80 an hour.
9-5 @ £5.80 five days a week = £232.00

232.00 divided by 143 = 1.6
(Richard Earl of Cambridge Cruel, Savage, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:04, archived)
# yeah but that's between two adults,
so call it 3.2 before you even think of the children.
(I helped save b3ta! Moon Girl Technologies horrendous beanbag, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:20, archived)
# I'm sure they'd over estimate one pay day and force him into further debt for a few years.
(I helped save b3ta! Christian's Bolt and Ski, Tue 16 Feb 2010, 20:25, archived)