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# If you tried to
make a profit from those images, you will be in trouble. a bit like music, you can listen for free..
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:24, archived)
# Would you? Can the gallery claim ownership of photographs taken of pictures they own?
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:27, archived)
# Yes, We pay
£5 million for a painting. We charge £2 for a postcard of it, to try to balance the cost. You take a piccy and sell postcards of it for £1. You are out the price of 20p publishing costs, (as are we). But we are still out £5million. I'm not explaining it well, but that is the gist.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:33, archived)
# Even if the copyright on the image has expired?
I can understand it for recent art, but van gogh has been dead long over 70 years.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:37, archived)
# But ownership of the painting
ond therefore the image, changes hands. Like the Beatles songs. They will never be PRS and copyright free.

EDIT: A famous one is 'Happy birthday to you' song. When i was in a band, if we sung it as part of the gig we had to pay.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:40, archived)
# Oh. That's stupid.
(I helped save b3ta! Mu Dinofiddler, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:42, archived)
# It IS stupid, i agree
but it is also complicated, and therefore we hire people to sort it out at a zillion pounds per hour. So they are in no hurry to sort it.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:44, archived)
# They can in the UK, where the work of photographing can create a new copyright
I don't think it's ever been tested in court though.
The US says that copyright only occurs where there has been creativity.
(I helped save b3ta! the wub - guide onion for the blind, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:46, archived)
# There was a wonderful case
which sadly I can't find. But a few years an artist saw a great Sci Fi book cover, and did a painting of it. it was huge, but a total copy. However, it had such a visual impact, that it was displayed and valued at more money than the book had ever made. So who gets the money when the painting was sold?
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:50, archived)
# In SOME countries they can claim copyright of their OWN photos of the pictures
But they can set whatever rules and restrictions they like for other people taking photos in their gallery, which has little to do with copyright
(I helped save b3ta! the wub - guide onion for the blind, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:51, archived)
# We ban
cameras, for that reason. Also security though, they might be 'casing the joint'*

*Gangster speak that might show my age.
(I helped save b3ta! TheSundaeLunch I'm a fucking shrub, alright?, Thu 18 Mar 2010, 23:54, archived)