They failed
Except according to the rules of the referendum - which both sides accepted prior to the vote - they won.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 19 May 2018, 14:21,
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If we had the vote again, say next week,
which way do you think it would go?
I suspect the number of remainers who will have changed their minds is going to be close to zero.
I suspect that the people who didn't vote (many of whom figured the leave side didn't stand a chance) would mostly choose remain if they decided to vote the second time.
I suspect the number of brexiters who will have changed their minds is liable to be significant.
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Honestly I think leave would win again
And probably by more. Mainly because it would reinforce the perception that the EU don't give a crap about our opinion and will keep asking the question until they get the answer they want.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 19 May 2018, 17:43,
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The EU never asked the question.
What does the EU's opinion of our vote even matter, given that they're clearly going along with it?
Do you really think people are voting based on what the international community will think of them, or is it more likely they're voting based on what they think will be best for themselves and the place that they live?
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Ok, so the EU's representatives on this planet then. The EU themselves clearly didn't give a fuck about our opinion when they sent Cameron back empty handed resulting in him agreeing to the referendum in the first place.
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evil_andy Stick stick stick stick sticky sticky stick stick, Sat 19 May 2018, 19:22,
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There's a difference between not giving a fuck about a someone's opinion, and not caving in to someone's demands.
I'm not a fan of the EU... I actually think there are many valid reasons to dislike it, and I would have liked to see some reform. But this absolute debacle is almost entirely our own fault:
The terms of the debate were just outright lies on both side. Many (not all but many) votes have been cast as the result of simple reactionary xenophobia founded on false premises. The figures leading all sides and all parties have been disingenuous and have played games for political points. Our government (consisting of both remainers and leavers) has made promises that it simply doesn't have the capability of delivering upon (to both the people of Britain and to the EU). The opposition (consisting of both remainers and leavers) has hypothesised similarly untenable counter proposals.
Certainly there have been some unhelpful comments from some deeply distasteful figures in the EU. Junker, Schulz and Verhofstadt in particular have made a number of inflammatory statements, but at the end of the day they're not beholden to us any more... their job is not to do what we say, it's to get the best result for the rest of Europe.
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