Thank ye :D
* Takes a little bow *
I think when my current experiments have to go through the publication process I'm going to tag that on the end. Just in case any of the reviewers try and send it back for less than scientific reasons!
I've had an urge for Angel Delight since you mentioned it :(
(, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:20, Share, Reply)
cherry picking the reports you can dismiss while ignoring the others, cute:
Dr. Peter L. Reynolds, Ph.D.,
sub-titled "the safe silver"
Certified Nutritionist Zane Baranowski published a similar list in
"The Natural Antibiotic Alternative."
Alfred Searle, of pharmaceutical giant Searle Labs researched colloidal silver. 112 pharmaceutical silver drugs were patented
In the US the FDA classifies it as a pre 1938 drug and still allows it to be used so long as such products are 'advertised and labelled for the same use as in 1938 and manufactured in the original manner.'
etc
the strongest evidence for me is in practical use and the witnessed benefits - I prefer to take truth as authority rather than authority as truth - and I apply this to most things
(, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:28, Share, Reply)
Haha!
"cherry pickin the reports you can dismiess while ignoring the others, cute:"
I think several others have pointed out cases of you doing just that. You've ignored entire studies in more credible journals, instead you've focused on ones that prove your point. Despite them being from sources with clear agendas.
Have I only looked at a few? Yes but that doesn't mean I've not looked at the others. I've not mentioned them because for the most part they are from the same sort of sources.
The Goat, I admire your enthusiasm for your beliefs. And of course you can believe in whatever you want for whatever reason. But when you start claiming a scientific basis for them then they're going to come under scientific scrutiny. And for the most part they don't hold up.
The sources you've used have tended to be ones with a clear bias. The ones you have ignored have been from a better class of journal.
As for the sources below. Lets have a gander shall we....
Dr Peter Reynolds....What kind of Doctor is he? What's his area of expertise? What's his motivation? Does he have a grant from a certain company or body that would encourage certain results? More importantly though does one paper make it fact? Science has anomalies. A balance of evidence has to be considered. You've been pointed in the direction of other studies but you've ignored them.
Certified Nutrionist? What kind of certification? You can gain all sorts of certification, especially in a growing field like nutrition. Certified doesn't mean anything when tagged on like that.
And again more importantly what does nutrition have to do with it? I know a certified Nutrionist and I know that he is not qualified to comment on micro-biology or medicine.
Alfred Searle patenting drugs doesn't mean the drugs work. Nor does it even mean he patented 112 radically different drugs. Many drugs are tweaked slightly when the patent starts to come to an end so they can keep it protected. All it means is he thought it prudent to patent as much stuff as he could. Which is what most companies like that do, just in case.
The FDA also approves a vast amount of drugs that studies have shown to be no better than placebo's, anti-depessants in particular. See the recent Irving Kirsch et al paper. In fact while we're on that have you ever considered that this 'treatment' is closer to a placebo effect?
* Takes deep breath *
And finally....if the strongest evidence for you is based on your subjective experience why are you arguing so hard about objective quantifiable evidence? Or is that just a retreat for you? The claims scientifically are on shakey ground so you've retreated to the safety of ancedotal belief? By all means do, just stop trying to claim that there's this overwhelming amount of scientific evidence for it.
(, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:50, Share, Reply)
Haha! Just done a quick google search about Mr Zane
He got his certification from National Institute for Nutritional Education.
www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/nonrecorg.html
Scroll down for a mention:D
EDIT: Should point out that that the classy Institute Zane went to is now the American Health Science University, which is on the list.....offering online degree's for a price.
(, Tue 10 Mar 2009, 16:59, Share, Reply)