I'll watch this later, I'm too sleepy now
My opinion before watching is that it serves nobodies interest to have Scotland become separate from Britain. Last time I checked majority Scotland agreed with me.
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Hellzapoppin, Wed 11 May 2011, 22:26,
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I haven't came down on one side or the other yet - there's pros and cons to both sides
The video's definitely worth a watch though
Even if you don't agree with the idea in principle, it's good to see Mel Gibson and the horrible 'Scotland homecoming' campaign getting the slagging they deserve. Also, it contains the 'It's shite being Scottish' scene from Trainspotting. What's not to love?
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So what is the number one good thing for Britain and Scotland if Scotland leave?
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Hellzapoppin, Wed 11 May 2011, 22:49,
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Discussing country borders
from a "good" and "bad" perspective is probably useless. Nationhood has much more to do with feelings and relationships than it has with either positive or negative values.
You could have asked the same of the act of union itself, and gotten the same unintelligible answers.
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Claws of Doom I am no longer infected, Wed 11 May 2011, 23:02,
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There's a lot more to it than just feelings
I think that underestimates the issue somewhat. There's many sound economic reasons both for and against separation from the Union, which could be classed as "good" or "bad". Also not sure where these "unintelligible" answers are coming from - care to elaborate?
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Fine, beneficial then, from any perspective except nationalism (so economic etc)
The number one benefit for Scotland and Britain if Scotland leave the union.
Nationalism should be abandoned as a political tool, and preferably as a concept altogether except in the context of history lessons.
It's is outdated and makes me unreasonably angry, especially when used as a reason for anything in political discourse. It's BOLLOCKS.
grrrrrrr
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Hellzapoppin, Wed 11 May 2011, 23:11,
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The SNP (the main party in favour of independence) aren't a Nationalist party, by the way
SNP stands for 'Scottish National Party,' not 'Scottish Nationalist Party.' Alex Salmond has said that Scottish people include those living in Scotland who think of themselves as Scottish - there's absolutely no Nationalism at play here. Accusations of such are often flung to muddy the waters
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Yeah I understand that SNP are a legit political party
I was responding to CoD's use of the term 'Nationhood'
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Hellzapoppin, Wed 11 May 2011, 23:20,
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The benefits for Scotland's easy
Control of it's own economy, not being dragged into unnecessary wars, and not being ruled by a Tory-led government no-one in Scotland voted for (only 1 Tory MP in the whole of Scotland, and that's down in the borders)
As for the benefit to Britain as a whole, well, that's a lot less tangible. On the one hand, Westminster would no longer receive North Sea Oil Revenue, but on the other hand, it would resolve the West Lothian question. I suppose the benefits all depend on your perspective
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Lothian question should not really be discussed in this debate
and certainly not used as a reason for Scotland to bog off out of Britain. If it is serious enough then it can be resolved with Scotland remaining in Britain.
I'd love to stop and chat but I'm really sleepy now and have to go beddy byes cos I'm working on the morrow
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Hellzapoppin, Wed 11 May 2011, 23:19,
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