I think it's more that he's using them in countries like Pakistan and Yemen where there is not a declaration of war
And as such are outside of the battlefield.
They are also a lot easier to use than say an aircraft that has a couple of pilots at risk and can be shot down by that nations air defenses.
There's apparently laws about who you can drop bombs on and how it's done.
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And as such are outside of the battlefield.
They are also a lot easier to use than say an aircraft that has a couple of pilots at risk and can be shot down by that nations air defenses.
There's apparently laws about who you can drop bombs on and how it's done.
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They appear to be killing a greater proportions of civilians.
I know that a pilot has a limited view of the ground and probably the same as the drone operator.
But I suspect there's an element of disconnection for the one not currently over the battle field.
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Also most of the drone attacks are carried out by the C.I.A
Who are civilians and not legally allowed to go round blowing people up IIRC
A lot of people picked up by the U.S are denied prisoner of war status because they're classed as civilians.
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I know that a pilot has a limited view of the ground and probably the same as the drone operator.
But I suspect there's an element of disconnection for the one not currently over the battle field.
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Also most of the drone attacks are carried out by the C.I.A
Who are civilians and not legally allowed to go round blowing people up IIRC
A lot of people picked up by the U.S are denied prisoner of war status because they're classed as civilians.
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if that figure of 891 civilians is to be believed that would be equal to 33 sandyhook shootings
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And target identification is harder
So you end up killing the wrong people a lot more.
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So you end up killing the wrong people a lot more.
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I don't know if that is so
A fighter bomber can have quite low ground visabilty and the pilot has a lot more to do. Let's face it, bombing from the air in any format has always killed innocents or friends. More than once we sank our own ships during WW2.
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A fighter bomber can have quite low ground visabilty and the pilot has a lot more to do. Let's face it, bombing from the air in any format has always killed innocents or friends. More than once we sank our own ships during WW2.
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The CIA has regularly used air strikes outside of warzones, since the Cold War
I'm confused as to why it's suddenly being reported on, as an issue, just because the method of operating the aircraft has changed.
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I'm confused as to why it's suddenly being reported on, as an issue, just because the method of operating the aircraft has changed.
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Not on this scale, and it's never been as open and as numerous as to what obama is currently doing.
Also they may have asked for the strike but it was military personal pulling the trigger.
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 15:10, Share, Reply)
Also they may have asked for the strike but it was military personal pulling the trigger.
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Squadrons of the USAF are assigned full-time to CIA missions
That's large-scale, and that's military personnell.
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That's large-scale, and that's military personnell.
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Yes military personal not civilians pushing the button.
Important legal difference.
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Important legal difference.
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you were into C.I.A airstrikes before they sold out and became famous?
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Those places are the battlefield.
Stop living in a teddy-bear world.
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 15:19, Share, Reply)
Stop living in a teddy-bear world.
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I missed the declaration of war against Pakistan and Yemen.
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( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 15:22, Share, Reply)
Well you should have been there then, like I was.
You haven't got a fucking clue about this topic.
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You haven't got a fucking clue about this topic.
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 15:33, Share, Reply)
What because he agrees with you?
Or did I miss a meeting where he was declared lord high authority on all things?
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Or did I miss a meeting where he was declared lord high authority on all things?
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Yeah sorry it was on Tuesday afternoon, I'll try and get the minutes for you
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That's a bullshit argument and you know it.
By that logic only people who have worked in westminster can comment on the actions of politicians.
Only other police officers can judge the actions of their colleagues.
I don't know what you did or saw there and I don't care.
Maybe you're military, mercenary, war corespondent, extreme tourist or whatever IRL
You may have seen some really horrific stuff that would turn me against anyone man, woman or child that calls their god Allah if I had gotten off my fat ass and done what you have.
I can still point to a lying fucking president that is engaging in a sloppy, undeclared war against a supposed ally killing a large amount of civilians that the left is giving a free ride on because he's not the other guy.
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By that logic only people who have worked in westminster can comment on the actions of politicians.
Only other police officers can judge the actions of their colleagues.
I don't know what you did or saw there and I don't care.
Maybe you're military, mercenary, war corespondent, extreme tourist or whatever IRL
You may have seen some really horrific stuff that would turn me against anyone man, woman or child that calls their god Allah if I had gotten off my fat ass and done what you have.
I can still point to a lying fucking president that is engaging in a sloppy, undeclared war against a supposed ally killing a large amount of civilians that the left is giving a free ride on because he's not the other guy.
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Of course you can point at whoever you like and say any manner of things.
You still haven't got a clue about this one.
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You still haven't got a clue about this one.
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So in your opinion is what he is doing in Pakistan making things better or worse?
Because from my uneducated position he's making a lot of noise, killing a lot of people that didn't need killing and royally pissing off a nuclear power
Undermining the government there bolstering support for a religious right that has no business anywhere near nuclear weapons. Who's secret service (I have been told not seen for my own eyes of course) is supporting.
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Because from my uneducated position he's making a lot of noise, killing a lot of people that didn't need killing and royally pissing off a nuclear power
Undermining the government there bolstering support for a religious right that has no business anywhere near nuclear weapons. Who's secret service (I have been told not seen for my own eyes of course) is supporting.
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More and more Taliban & their supporters should be killed by drone strikes.
This will enable the Pak military to keep better control their territory and enable many, many others to have a less shit time than they would otherwise. Still, if you know this and still want hundreds of thousands of innocent people to suffer at the hands of Islamist lunatics then fine, point your finger and scream/shout/etc, good for you. The kid shaggers, the 'girls should not learn to read' gang, hand/head choppers and the female genital mutilators are very pleased that you are inadvertently supporting their work.
Sleep well.
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This will enable the Pak military to keep better control their territory and enable many, many others to have a less shit time than they would otherwise. Still, if you know this and still want hundreds of thousands of innocent people to suffer at the hands of Islamist lunatics then fine, point your finger and scream/shout/etc, good for you. The kid shaggers, the 'girls should not learn to read' gang, hand/head choppers and the female genital mutilators are very pleased that you are inadvertently supporting their work.
Sleep well.
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I sleep very well and i'm glad you've shown me that because i'm against what he's doing I must be a Taliban supporter.
I mean that's the only 2 choices available isn't it?
And if you're concerned about all that then there's large amounts of Africans that could do with some of Obamas tender loving care via bombs. Genital mutilation of women,limb removing and raping of children has been very popular for a long time.
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I mean that's the only 2 choices available isn't it?
And if you're concerned about all that then there's large amounts of Africans that could do with some of Obamas tender loving care via bombs. Genital mutilation of women,limb removing and raping of children has been very popular for a long time.
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Do you know what, I'm convinced by your powerful argument.
I'm now pointing at a picture of Obama and saying 'Your'e a very naughty boy!'
I love this teddy-bear world!
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 16:39, Share, Reply)
I'm now pointing at a picture of Obama and saying 'Your'e a very naughty boy!'
I love this teddy-bear world!
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 16:39, Share, Reply)
Whilst you're being Mr High and mighty
I guess you don't do any illegal drugs shipped over from central America where the cartels have been killing men,women and children, raping, mutilating, kidnapping with guns paid for by people that like to stick coke up their noses.
Or taking any skag shipped over from Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban?
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 16:43, Share, Reply)
I guess you don't do any illegal drugs shipped over from central America where the cartels have been killing men,women and children, raping, mutilating, kidnapping with guns paid for by people that like to stick coke up their noses.
Or taking any skag shipped over from Afghanistan controlled by the Taliban?
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 16:43, Share, Reply)
Now you have gone mental.
Next, ask me whether I go whaling and seal clubbing or how about if I'm the captain of a slave ship?
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 16:49, Share, Reply)
Next, ask me whether I go whaling and seal clubbing or how about if I'm the captain of a slave ship?
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You're the one accusing people of supporting these people
By giving them money you're giving them material support.
Maybe you don't do anything like that and are pure as the driven snow and quite frankly it's not anyones business but yours but i've seen you talk about drugs many times here.
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If you been accusing me of supporting whaling and seal clubbing because I didn't support Obama bombing the shipyards of Japan and Norway.
And previously boasting about how you enjoy eating nice whale steak whilst wearing your baby seal fur coat then I may have brought that up too.
Anyway time to play on the motorway, it's been fun we should do this again sometime.
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By giving them money you're giving them material support.
Maybe you don't do anything like that and are pure as the driven snow and quite frankly it's not anyones business but yours but i've seen you talk about drugs many times here.
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If you been accusing me of supporting whaling and seal clubbing because I didn't support Obama bombing the shipyards of Japan and Norway.
And previously boasting about how you enjoy eating nice whale steak whilst wearing your baby seal fur coat then I may have brought that up too.
Anyway time to play on the motorway, it's been fun we should do this again sometime.
( , Thu 24 Jan 2013, 17:03, Share, Reply)
Yay!
Thank you for taking time out from massaging Amadeus' prostate with your tongue to respond to me.
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Thank you for taking time out from massaging Amadeus' prostate with your tongue to respond to me.
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