Peter Obourne explains why the Telegraph, a once respectable paper, is now utter dogshit.
Yeah yeah, I know the Torygraph has always been shit etc, but this public letter of resignation is very interesting. Interesting career move too. I predict a berth at the Guardian with a healthy stipend in just a few months.
Very long read, for media nerds only.
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 18:13, Share, Reply)
Yeah yeah, I know the Torygraph has always been shit etc, but this public letter of resignation is very interesting. Interesting career move too. I predict a berth at the Guardian with a healthy stipend in just a few months.
Very long read, for media nerds only.
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 18:13, Share, Reply)
Last time I went to buy the Telegraph (has ace cricket reporting) it cost about £1.40 -
- I think I read it in WHS and left it there.
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 18:56, Share, Reply)
- I think I read it in WHS and left it there.
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This comment amused me greatly:
"It's gone from the paper of the thinking right to a downmarket copy of the Times, with some of the Daily Mail's worst features thrown in, and even a shocking amount of sub-Guardian sank"
Things must be grim if it's been compared to the Guardian, which has just become a moronic parody of itself. If it's not straining so hard to be liberal it actually hurts beholding that forced blinkered view of the world, it's publishing utter, utter dross that would otherwise rouse the predictable 'right on' liberal heckles and scorn of it's own liberal-for-the-sake-of-being-a-liberal readership if published in the like of the Daily Mail: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/16/50-things-every-man-needs-to-know
Shame about the Telegraph. I quite liked reading that once in a while just to get other views of the world, unlike the Daily Mail.
Assuming I was in a environment I had enough space to actually open it, such as on a train, or a field.
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"It's gone from the paper of the thinking right to a downmarket copy of the Times, with some of the Daily Mail's worst features thrown in, and even a shocking amount of sub-Guardian sank"
Things must be grim if it's been compared to the Guardian, which has just become a moronic parody of itself. If it's not straining so hard to be liberal it actually hurts beholding that forced blinkered view of the world, it's publishing utter, utter dross that would otherwise rouse the predictable 'right on' liberal heckles and scorn of it's own liberal-for-the-sake-of-being-a-liberal readership if published in the like of the Daily Mail: www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/feb/16/50-things-every-man-needs-to-know
Shame about the Telegraph. I quite liked reading that once in a while just to get other views of the world, unlike the Daily Mail.
Assuming I was in a environment I had enough space to actually open it, such as on a train, or a field.
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 18:58, Share, Reply)
Is there a decent newspaper left?
I used to like the Times, but now it's just The Mail with longer words and a good crossword.
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 19:55, Share, Reply)
I used to like the Times, but now it's just The Mail with longer words and a good crossword.
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The Mirror is pretty good.
They've got this amazing new section on their website that aggregates clickbait, and they make some hilarious clickbait of their own too, which is usually some kind of astute political commentary.
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They've got this amazing new section on their website that aggregates clickbait, and they make some hilarious clickbait of their own too, which is usually some kind of astute political commentary.
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You might like to read your copy of The Daily Express....
oooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhhhh it's a good paper.
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oooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooohhhhh it's a good paper.
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Don't shine that torch in my face, mate..
I've just lost a pint of blood.
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I've just lost a pint of blood.
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I used to reach for a Times or the telegraph if I had already read the Independent
but I just find the Times a bit boring these days, there doesn't seem to be any passion in their current affairs, whether you agree with it or not. Given i've only ever picked it up infrequently, I may simply be missing it.
But the criticism currently of the Telegraph is pretty damning. My chief issue with it though is it really is old school broadsheet. I don't have space around me to read it day in day out, certainly not on a crowded rush hour tube, the pub, or my messy desk at work.
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but I just find the Times a bit boring these days, there doesn't seem to be any passion in their current affairs, whether you agree with it or not. Given i've only ever picked it up infrequently, I may simply be missing it.
But the criticism currently of the Telegraph is pretty damning. My chief issue with it though is it really is old school broadsheet. I don't have space around me to read it day in day out, certainly not on a crowded rush hour tube, the pub, or my messy desk at work.
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I think increasingly people
go via Google News and aren't paper-loyal.
The trick is probably to learn which are the good journalists.
Full Fact should do a version of Google News where bad journalists get a ban.
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go via Google News and aren't paper-loyal.
The trick is probably to learn which are the good journalists.
Full Fact should do a version of Google News where bad journalists get a ban.
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Apart from when people make shit up
like the former much celebrated darling of the left, Johann Hari, good and bad is entirely subjective. Your proposal sounds like censorship. Who decides who's good or bad? You? The tax dodgers that are Google?
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 20:29, Share, Reply)
like the former much celebrated darling of the left, Johann Hari, good and bad is entirely subjective. Your proposal sounds like censorship. Who decides who's good or bad? You? The tax dodgers that are Google?
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 20:29, Share, Reply)
Accurate and Inaccurate is not subjective.
Google order their news via an algorithym. I'd just like to see one that takes into account how much proven bullshit the author has written before. I imagine Full Fact have quite a lot of data for that.
Don't see why that would be any more censorship than any other internet directory.
( , Tue 17 Feb 2015, 20:38, Share, Reply)
Google order their news via an algorithym. I'd just like to see one that takes into account how much proven bullshit the author has written before. I imagine Full Fact have quite a lot of data for that.
Don't see why that would be any more censorship than any other internet directory.
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That was the point I tried to make in my subject line.
Bullshit is bad journalism. But journalism that contains an opinion you don't like or agree with doesn't make it bad. Nor is popular journalism good by virtue of its popularity. There is some great journalism in the New Yorker for example, but it tends to be very long, worthy and so detailed as to verge on being dull, certainly for those with a short attention span. But no aggregate algorithm essentially designed to get clicks is ever going to feature that. And that's all the Internet really wants: clicks
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Bullshit is bad journalism. But journalism that contains an opinion you don't like or agree with doesn't make it bad. Nor is popular journalism good by virtue of its popularity. There is some great journalism in the New Yorker for example, but it tends to be very long, worthy and so detailed as to verge on being dull, certainly for those with a short attention span. But no aggregate algorithm essentially designed to get clicks is ever going to feature that. And that's all the Internet really wants: clicks
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