@Goat (part 2)
"[T]ell that to the generations that went to war to fight for privacy"
That'll be none at all, then...

"[P]rivacy is a survival issue - a natural instinct"
Not at all obvious. Evidence and supporting argument, please. Note that even if we all desire x, it doesn't follow that that desire is morally or legally demanding.

"[I]t's a simple fact any government will always press for greater control over it's citizens through information and greater survelliance, always with greater security as the excuse - the same thing happened in 30s Germany and with the Stasi in the eastern blocks"
Simple fact? Really? "Triangles have four sides" is a simple fact. Your claim about governments seems to be entirely different. Evidence, please. (And a vague wave towards Germany in the middle of the last century is not evidence.) Note, too, that government control is a good thing. There is government control in Manchester. There is little or none in Mogadishu. I'm in no doubt as to where I'd rather live.

"[I]t is the age old battle of the individual having to constantly fight the pressure from the state to impose it's will, with the threat and fear of attack from some enemy or other always used as the excuse to abandon personal liberties"
Well, if you're Hobbes, Locke, or even Nozick, membership of the state is an essential precursor to liberty. The constantly embattled individual doesn't exist outside the minds of a few Michigan survivalists.

"...and it's no secret they're using anti-terror law for the slightest of offences or for greater control - as an example 2 pensioners were detained at a peace march with anti terror legislation and this is among many"
Well, yes. There are some cretinous laws about, and they're sometimes cretinously used. That doesn't establish your hypothesis, though. (Do you have a reference to your story, btw? You're rather vague about it.)
( Enzyme is powered by sunlight, Wed 21 May 2008, 12:09, Reply)