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# Yeah, but
there is more to intellect than mere mindless criticism.

There is also perspective and the study of history and geopolitics -- which are entirely lacking from the kneejerk stereotypical opinions posted here.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:17, archived)
# Beau and Co. aren't usually mindless in their criticism.
There is a lot of "Bush is teh suck" on here, but you know to dismiss that as noise. Coming back at someone with "You hate democracy" is pretty mindless itself, when you know perfectly well that they don't.
(tomsk, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:22, archived)
# They may not hate democracy as such
but by constantly attacking people who support democracy, they are helping the enemies of democracy ... and that is wrong.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:25, archived)
# *blinks

are you being serious or just fishing?
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:26, archived)
# this is great!
haven`t seen a good rant on here in ages
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:27, archived)
# :)
In a "I really having no idea what the fuck I'm talking about" sort of way
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:31, archived)
# you racist anti-spastic err.. anti-European spider hating err..

eh?
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:38, archived)
# I'm enjoying it
Whilst I don't agree per se, evil pundit is presenting an argument that is rarely aired. The public thinks what the public is told to think.

Personally, I wouldn't be throwing that criticism at bob odour though...

(I helped save b3ta! Wasp Box like a nervous random stranger at a glory hole, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:40, archived)
# I suggest you read some history
and learn.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:29, archived)
# I suggest you just learn to read
then you might understand
(I helped save b3ta! Attila the Bun is not in a right cunt of a mood, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:32, archived)
# Nonono,
it's _not_ wrong to attack and critise politicians. They _need_ criticising, they _need_ opposing, that's what democracy is, that's how it works. If you don't oppose them you just end up with what is functionally a dictatorship. I have no time for this reverence for politicians crap, they need kicking from time to time, it reminds them who's in charge: "We The People," to borrow a phrase from a certain document.
(tomsk, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:29, archived)
# That's one side of the picture
The other side, which B3tans lack, is an appreciation of the general conditions that people have lived under throughout history, and just how good we have it compared to most.

Without that perspective, the critique is mindless and irrelevant.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:32, archived)
# Please do not tarnish all us B3tans with the same brush
I believe that in itself could be classed as a form of oppression against individual thought
(I helped save b3ta! The Great Architect is still waiting for his account to be deleted on, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:34, archived)
# "Most", then.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:36, archived)
# you used that before too
and while I have absolutely no desire to get into this particular debate, with the greatest of respect, you have no idea whatsoever what "most" b3tans think, feel or say. You just get the odd comment or picture from perhaps a third of b3tans to go on.
So please, don't generalise like that.
(I helped save b3ta! mr horrible up yours, dickface, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:39, archived)
# Generalisation has its hazards
... but I think that some judgements can be formed from what B3tans say, and how they react to certain things.

When someone posted "Reservoir Wogs" the other day, the board erupted in condemnation. But I don't see such condemnation for the unfair and hurtful things directed against some nationalities on this board (see the US flag toilet roll at the top of this page, for example).
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:47, archived)
# Although it can sometimes be mindless, true,
it's _never_ irrelevant; it's a basic right, it's a fundamental part of the process of democracy. It's Voltaire, defending to the death your right to be completely wrong. It's the 1st amendment. Without the critics, without the disagreement, democracy is meaningless, defanged, not worth defending. So by all means argue with Beau and me, but don't ever accuse us of working against democracy and not appreciating it. We ARE democracy.
(tomsk, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:38, archived)
# and sexy too
(I helped save b3ta! Reckless_Rik, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:39, archived)
# Good point.
I just wish that sometimes the bad guys would cop a bucketing, and not just our side.

Sigh.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:41, archived)
# I agree with you there.
Probably because Saddam and Osama and Co. have much smaller PR departments, there's a lot less material to work on.
(tomsk, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:45, archived)
# Yeah, well
I think I'll go to bed now, and dream of photoshopping kittens.

Which is what I'd really rather do here -- there's enough politics elsewhere.
(Indole Ring, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:49, archived)
# G'night.
(tomsk, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:51, archived)
# WTF
Has America got to do with democracy?
(p0zitr0n - phunarmically charged particle, detected at, Thu 22 Sep 2005, 12:59, archived)