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# Is there any ACTUAL evidence against her?
I know it's too late and that, but I've rnot read every single thing about it and I've not heard of any actual physical evidence against her.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:12, archived)
# She is ugly.
Isn't that proof enough?
(I helped save b3ta! ArghZombies No longer has a Leaky QUIM, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:13, archived)
# *something about yo momma's absence from sing-sing*
but seriously.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:13, archived)
# I liked that song
despite it being shit... like that Gwen Staffani song about her shit being banananas ...
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:21, archived)
# Erm ... well she's just been convicted by 12 good men (and women ) true
So I presume so ...
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:13, archived)
# I presume so too, but as I've yet to hear of it
I was wondering if anyone was more informed.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:14, archived)
# didn't she admit to being involved?
(I helped save b3ta! inexpressible started a joke on, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:16, archived)
# Well, she more lied about 6 different ways about how she was/wasn't/
might have been/ hamster / etc etc etc.

(I helped save b3ta! J Peasemould Gruntfuttock Alpha Mike Foxtrot, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:17, archived)
# Timothy Evans admitted to the murder of his wife and child and was hanged.
when most people, including the legal system, now believe those murders to be the work of John Christie. I'm just saying, like.

Is that it? Just the confession?
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:19, archived)
# the confession
AND the ugliness
(I helped save b3ta! inexpressible started a joke on, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:20, archived)
# Hmm.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:22, archived)
# okay
maybe that wasn't the cause of her conviction
(I helped save b3ta! inexpressible started a joke on, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:25, archived)
# This does lead to a question I asked last night.
How can a childs sole legal carer and guardian be charged with kidnap?

I am not arguining that what she did wasn't wrong, but the kidnap thing seems wrong to me. If you know what I mean....
(I helped save b3ta! Redsushi! Whoop! Whoop! Yes, that one!, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:19, archived)
#
according to wiki she was charged *only* with child neglect and perverting the course of justice, not kidnapping.
(I helped save b3ta! inexpressible started a joke on, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:23, archived)
# I want to know what happened to the kid in question?
Does she still exist? Not heard a whisper about her since they found her.

I'm sure she gave some form of evidence.
(I helped save b3ta! ArghZombies No longer has a Leaky QUIM, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:17, archived)
# I would imagine all the kids are now probably in care
or therapy, or both.
(I helped save b3ta! b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:18, archived)
# I refer you to Frankie Boyle on MTW
he does look a bit rapey...

(I helped save b3ta! b3th Not shit. Not mod., Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:14, archived)
# Great turner phrase
(I helped save b3ta! Je suis un vagabond is an unfunny, up your own arse middle class knob, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:18, archived)
# I think it was mostly the testemony of her
"accomplice" and the fact that she claimed not to even know... also she's poor and ugly and fick and has too many children...

was there not also something from social services saying she was at least a partial threat to her children...?
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:19, archived)
# Yeah, because they're so adept.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:23, archived)
# I think they probably do a good job in hard circumstances most of the time
Although I don't know a great deal about the evidence presented to be found guilty by the Jury it would have to have been proven beyond a reasonable doubt -- otherwise it will get overturned at the appeal stage.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:34, archived)
# Sorry, blame me having dated someone who worked for them
who was not exactly social services material. Also- the stories I used to hear....
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:38, archived)
# I'm sure a lot of them are complete tossers
- as are a lot of people.

I just think after this baby P thing there's a real chance for a complete over reaction which could ultimately put a lot of children (and people) at a higher risk.... I'm not sure 1 massive high profile cockup deserves the massive overreaction The Sun are going for.
(I helped save b3ta! Prof UnderCover evitable, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:42, archived)
# Oh God yes, totally with you there.
Although conversely, for the next few months everyone's going to be really REALLY thorough, which can only be good.
(I helped save b3ta! Captain Wow currently being a cunt in Infamous, Fri 5 Dec 2008, 14:43, archived)