that's taking it to extremes
not wanting your entire estate to be divided up and shared amongst the masses is different to being a selfish cunt!

but do we really think people would still be preaching about the benefits of returning every generation to the £100k mortgage route if they were in line to inherit a £2M house? i don't believe it in the case of 99.9% of people. i think their principles would change in line with their expectations.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:29, 3 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

Which is why tax is imposed rather than voluntary.
It has been stated in various forms in this thread that no one likes it, but we do have to go along with it.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:31, Reply)

but the people saying that it should go far and above the current regime
would they still be saying that if they came from rich families, or if they won the lottery but couldn't give it to their own kids?

this is my cynicism with it, i think NOT.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:32, Reply)

Nobody's arguing with you
we're saying we should pay it anyway even though we don't want to.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:39, Reply)

well if nobody's arguing
what's the point?

your face smells.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:40, Reply)

it's called a nose, that's what it's for.

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:42, Reply)

Amongst other things.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:43, Reply)

cf 'fat-cat salaries'
How many of the thousands of whingers who plague this country night and day would take a job paying them 1m a year and give all bar 30k (or whatever) away because that would be ‘fair’? The answer is about 3 – who are very nice but also clearly a bit mental.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:31, Reply)

Is that me, Al and Chompy?
Would have been four, but Foggsy is dead (4EVAINRHARTZ)
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:33, Reply)

RIP WILF, IN THE GREAT BIKE-CRASH IN THE SKY 4EVA

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:35, Reply)

yes
it is the same point. the whingers couldn't do that job, however much they want to bash said fat-cat.

of course, some of the fat-cats can't do the job either, but that's a matter for their employer...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:35, Reply)

There are people who whine too far, absolutely.
But arguing about what is and isn't a fair tax on money you've earned is a whole different game to what is and isn't a fair tax on money you've done absolutely fuck all to deserve.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:36, Reply)

straw man
Even at 60% tax you're keeping 400K. And there are any number of ways to keep more.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:40, Reply)

It's not "your" estate.
That is rather the issue, and that's what makes it default selfish. You didn't make or earn a single penny of it.

I think if you were in line to inheret a £2M house and you even moaned for one tiny second about merely getting £1.46M for doing absolutely fuck all, then you are a massively selfish cunt, yep.

I know I play the pretend socialist sometimes but this is something that I'm afraid I strongly believe in. And FWIW, my parent's house value does put me in the "taxed" category.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:33, Reply)

flip it round
if you've worked hard all your life, why shouldn't you be able to choose the beneficiaries of that work? people want to give their children and grandchildren something, not random strangers.

i agree that whinging about contributing something is selfish, sure. but that wasn't what i was talking about. the suggestion above was that everyone should effectively give everything away on death, and it's that point that i think would be dropped pretty sharpish if the person making it suddenly came in line to inherit a shedload.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:39, Reply)

link to the post saying everyone should effectively give everything away?
I appear to have missed that one. Perhaps the Invisible Communist Boogeyman has me on ignore 2.0.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:42, Reply)

Swipe shouldn't even be in this thread.
The whole thing should be invisible to her.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:47, Reply)

ah well
we don't always get what we want
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:49, Reply)

The Rolling Stones melancholy follow up single?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:50, Reply)

i can't
when i am posting via this logging out and logging back in again schtick.

it's been said up there and before though ^^

i agree with you, i think something should be paid to redress the balance, but you'll never find an amount that suits everyone.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

The only person saying it is Monty
and he's arguing your side.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:52, Reply)

and I'm saying it wouldn't, because despite my natural cynicism
I am aware that the majority of people aren't actually selfish arseholes.

I'm not arguing everyone should give away it all on death (who said that?) but that a proportion is reasonable. If you wish to argue that you should be able to hand over what you've earned - no tax - by all means, I can work for that. It means you just get to hand over what you paid for your house and what you paid for your share portfolio, not what it is worth now. Becuase you didn't earn the rest. You acquired it purely from a combination of luck and the financial improvement of the economy of country you live in. The government of which now wishes some recompense for that fact.

You of all people should understand the inherent fairness of that, it's pretty much ubercapitalism. Money to those that TRUELY earned it. Of all the taxes there are, it's probably the fairest, because it only targets the wealthy specifically over money they didn't even earn.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:47, Reply)

The threshold should be increased a bit though
Originally this was a fat-cat type of tax and now it isn't
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

It is now affecting fat cows too.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

Not this one
My parents dont have that kind of cash
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:52, Reply)