So Nick Clegg says that the rich should pay more in tax temporarily to help fight the 'economic war'
What's your opinion.

The top ranking tory came back with "if the politics of envy made a country rich then Britain would be a very rich counrty because there's a lot of the politics of envy"

We are a very rich country, by every fucking measure you spastic.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:42, 156 replies, latest was 12 years ago)

my opinion is that yes they should
but they never will
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:44, Reply)

I was thinking on the way to work there should be a specific law against the rich fucking the rest over.
Something like economic treason, if you seriously damage the state either for finacial gains or finacial incompitence you should be put in prison for up to say 10 years and have similar limitations to your actions that someone who's bankrupt would have.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:49, Reply)

but then there would be less incentive to get rich, most people don't get wealthy without screwing somebody over

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:50, Reply)

I think "having lots of money" might be sufficient incentive

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:51, Reply)

not if taxes are higher and you have to go to prison

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:56, Reply)

Even taxed more YOU STILL HAVE LOTS OF MONEY
and rich people never go to prison anyway.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:12, Reply)

Screw over whoever you want, but not the state.
So that means you have to pay tax, make the country less competitive etc.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:55, Reply)

*envies*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:45, Reply)

what does politics of envy mean?

(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:47, Reply)

North Virginia

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:49, Reply)

No one knows.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:50, Reply)

is he implying that the poor envy the rich and that's why they want them taxed more?
because if so he's right, but he's an idiot
(Quintno EXPERIMENT RUINED CANCELLED, LEFT 4EVER, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:51, Reply)

He is.
And he is.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:52, Reply)

It's a vague term which doesn't even have a wikipedia page.
In general it's the politicians saying to the public "vote for me and I'll bring these rich cunts down a few pegs"
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:52, Reply)

Shit all.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:51, Reply)

Why don't we just get the cops to rob their houses.

( mark morrisons prison shoes I love Willie, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:47, Reply)

I imagine opinion will be divided between the rich among us and the poorer.
Personally I don't believe in the need for an 'economic war', but I am happy for wealthy people to pay more tax.
Particularly if you are a rich Tory, who voted for this deficit reduction plan (did anyone actually vote for this policy?)
However, turkeys don't tend to vote for Christmas.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:48, Reply)

I don't want to sound like a prick,
But I could give a fuck. This economic downturn hasn't affected me at all, and as selfish as it sounds, I'm sick of hearing about it. I know I should care, I know it's important and stuff, but I can't muster myself.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:49, Reply)

You could give a fuck or you couldn't?
Now we've fallen out, I feel fine about pointing out your GROSS ERROR.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:52, Reply)

I could care less

(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:54, Reply)

Could you?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:55, Reply)

i didn't mean what i said before, i'm sorry.
I'm not sure, which is the one that means I don't care about it. That one.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:55, Reply)

The damage is done now.
I HATE YOU!!
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:56, Reply)

your words are hurtful.
I WILL HAVE MY REVENGE!
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:58, Reply)

A higher rate of tax at a decently high starting rate would help
Say 60% above £1million

I'm fucking fuming about stamp duty and inheritance tax. I think these are both totally unfair
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:51, Reply)

inheritance tax is one of the best ways to stop the rich owning everything in the world.
Problem is they hardly ever pay it.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:53, Reply)

The rich?
It's 40% on any sum over £300k isn't it? That's most houses in the South East if I am right.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:55, Reply)

Most houses without a mortgage.
Most houses that were bought for far far less than £300k
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:56, Reply)

NO! ONLY I SHOULD BENEFIT FROM THE HUGE INFLATION IN HOUSE PRICES!

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:58, Reply)

So you think it's fair that if you inherit your family home then chances are you'll have to sell it
to pay a tax bill?

Even though the money that paid for it has already been taxed?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:59, Reply)

In a society where the economic rules are strongly tilted in favor of the haves at the expense of the have-nots, where tax laws give generous loopholes to the wealthiest among us, the occasion of passing on wealth to the next generation is an appropriate time to tax our accumulated fortunes. Most of the appreciated value of these assets has never been taxed.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:06, Reply)

The have-nots are gay and should fuck right off.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:07, Reply)

You're gay?

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:11, Reply)

You gone dun a zing!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:11, Reply)

Thanks Chompy

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:08, Reply)

Yes, I do I'm not saying it's nice.
But it is a way to stop the cumulation of money in a smaller and smaller number of peoples hands.

It's all about compound interest of savings at it's most basic, the effect of compound interest on a population is limited by the fact that people have to spend money and that people die within about 80 years. An estate in itself doesn't have that problems (they probably have to spend a bit of money) cutting out 40% every 80 years is to stop it getting out of control.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:10, Reply)

Not saying it's nice.
But it makes pragmatic sense.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:10, Reply)

I think I should say it's not nice a third time

(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:12, Reply)

Once, Twice, Three Times a Nice

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:13, Reply)

Are you saying that it's nice?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:13, Reply)

I think these days there could be a fair chance of owning a house that is paid for and is subject to this

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:02, Reply)

If there wasn't inherithance tax it would work like this
Generation 1 buy a house for £100k pay mortgage on it, it's worth £300k when they die
Generation 2 get £300k house, no need to pay mortgage so they can save up for £400k house, then pay off the mortgage and die.
Generation 3 the £400k house is now worth £650k they get it for free don't have to pay mortgage so they invest in shares.
Generation 4 has a £750k house, no debts and thousands of shares, dividends pay all their expenses and give them money to invest, in more shares.
Generation 5 all children go to eton, they get into politics and fuck everything up
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:05, Reply)

This is one of the most sensible points you've made.
Fucking stop it.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:21, Reply)

yup,
My dad is sorting put at the moment how best to give me his house to avoid inheritance tax, he has to live for 7 years after I think and then we're all cool.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:57, Reply)

That's the trick.
My sister's father in law paid off their mortgage with the same thing in mind.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:00, Reply)

what's wrong with just wearing your mother's clothes and learning her signature after she dies?
old skool is best skool
( glued eel /questions/questionsyoudliketoask/post1648081, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:02, Reply)

I do that already.
Well, the clothes bit anyway.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:04, Reply)

and her skin

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:04, Reply)

haha!
I don't have the tits for it
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:04, Reply)

My dad gave us kids a big wedge of cash each a few years back
for the same reason.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:01, Reply)

You have to be careful
he can't just hand it over, if you transfer it into your name it's a gift if you don't pay for it, and then he needs to pay you a "fair" market rent value to live there. It's not as easy as it seems

But then I'm pretty sure he knows this already.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:04, Reply)

probably,
There are around 4 bank accounts involved. I'm pretty sure its people like me ruining the economy.
( Windy Pig I'm naturally quite suspicious about the moon., Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

Inheritance tax is fucking evil.
Your parent leaves you a house which they've bought with their (taxed) money, and then you have to sell it to pay a second load of tax on it? Fuck off.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 10:54, Reply)

this^
See also nursing home fees. Either everyone or no-one should pay. My grandad had to sell his house to pay for the fees but if he'd just pissed all his money away it would have been free.
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:02, Reply)

No you fuck off
it's not like it's a 100% tax, is it?

Either pay the fucking tax and keep the house, or sell the house and still have a big wedge after tax.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:02, Reply)

I think the threshold should be a lot higher
Say £500,000
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:03, Reply)

it basically is
becuase it's per person, isn't it? so it's £650K if both your parents owned the place at some point.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:05, Reply)

I did not know this

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:07, Reply)

I didn't either, I think I found out from Chompy
but don't let him know, eh? wouldn't want the cunt getting ideas above his station and that.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:08, Reply)

My mother's 3-bed 80s house in Winchester
has a small garden and plastic windows. It's worth about £750k.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:06, Reply)

Fuck you then, future rich kid

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:07, Reply)

Is it built of solid gold?
My brother's place in Weybridge isn't worth near that and it's one of the most expensive residential postcodes in the UK
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:07, Reply)

She had it valued last year. It may have dropped a bit.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:09, Reply)

The property market is "well bent"

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:20, Reply)

*nods*

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:21, Reply)

I think if your folks have worked all their lives and have paid off their house and given it to you,
you should be able to fucking keep it. £300k is hardly Croesus material is it?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:05, Reply)

as above, it's basically £650K in most cases.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:06, Reply)

Not mine. And that's all I care about.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:09, Reply)

You'll only fritter it away on legal fees, anyway.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:10, Reply)

your mum in a civil partnership?

(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

Nope.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

I realised that sounded like a your mum joke.
Still get her down the chaple.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:15, Reply)

You saying I should take her up the aisle?

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:19, Reply)

She'd rather be taken up the apse.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:22, Reply)

If this is the case.
it's £975K and Monty's buying all the rounds.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:15, Reply)

well, yes, it is
because you've got £325K from both parents. In different properties. presumably.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

Hahahah my dad will leave nothing but debt.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:16, Reply)

well then. no point moaning about fair, is there?
rod. back. etc.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:16, Reply)

He taught me everything I know.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:19, Reply)

What have you done to earn that money? Nowt.
So why should you be rewarded for something your parents did?

First: nobody deserves to inherit wealth, property or money – their inheriting these things makes their lives go better than those who were not so lucky in the lottery of birth.

Second: it is important to the lives of people in a free society – both parents and children – that parents be able to leave an inheritance to their children.

These two things need to be traded-off against each other. The state can correct for the first by taxing inheritance. This adjusts for the unfair reward of material distributions allocated by the lottery of birth, and can be used to compensate those who were unlucky enough to be born to parents who couldn’t or didn’t leave them an inheritance. This is fair because receiving inheritance and the accruing benefits is itself fundamentally unfair.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:08, Reply)

What has 'fairness' got to do with anything?
If I have the good fortune to be related to someone who wants to give me a valuable gift, why has some scabby prick down the road that the gift-giver has never met got a right to a cut of it?
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:13, Reply)

That's how countries work Monty
If you don't like it move to Somalia.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:21, Reply)

I would do ONLY I CAN'T AFFORD TO BECAUSE OF THE FAT CAT BANKERS

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:44, Reply)

and the blacks

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:45, Reply)

I bet you'd love to be a pirate.

(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:50, Reply)

If you want to live in a half decent country, you have to pay some tax.
It should probably be more, but no one wants to pay more.
If you want to get annoyed or complain about anything, focus on how that money is or should be spent.
But then you don't vote, do you?
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:08, Reply)

Voting is gay.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:11, Reply)

Of course it is, didn't the Greeks invent it?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

EXACTLY.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

*votes for back-door smashing*

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:15, Reply)

it's all about the goatfucking, sporters,

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:17, Reply)

*makes note*

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:45, Reply)

Talking of not liking Greeks/gays/etc.
There was an interesting subject of R4's Great Lives yesterday - www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01m5jtk - Roman chap called Juvenal, who liked to "rant and rail against women, foreigners, gays and the upstarts who are all ruining Rome"
Reminded me of you.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:18, Reply)

I have studied Juvenal in depth, he was great.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:21, Reply)

with the greatest respect
try watching everything your parents have earned and saved for their retirement slowly disappear though secondary care payments because one of them, through no fault of their own, suddenly needs near constant home care, and consider what isn't and isn't fair.

TLiC and Tangles are right, no-one has earned the right to inherit shit. In that respect, life's a lottery and lotteries aren't fair.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:13, Reply)

This is what I was on about
My grandad wanted to give that money to us, not a fucking care home
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:14, Reply)

fuck what I would have got.
I just wanted my parents to have an enjoyable, financially sound retirement.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:16, Reply)

Really? I want mine to die and quick-smart.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:18, Reply)

harsh words, Boyce.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:19, Reply)

Inheritance is not something I wanted
as it meant my grandad had died. He wanted us to have it
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:28, Reply)

No, no - he should give it all to the state apparently.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:18, Reply)

it all 40% of it
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:19, Reply)

the arguments against it
would have more merit for me if the people making them had large sums of money/property to inherit. how many people would keep the view that you should "work for it, then share it amongst everyone when you die, rather than your own family", if they suddenly became in line to inherit a lot of cash themselves? very very few, if any.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:23, Reply)

Bollocks.
Being born into a wealthy family doesn't automatically make you a selfish cunt.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:25, Reply)

According to most hand-wringers on here it does.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:25, Reply)

This is rather a tired old line repeatedly trotted out by various people.
Some people do/would accept having to pay their share.
Crazy, I know - they'll never be massively wealthy with that approach.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:27, Reply)

Sour fucking grapes is what it is.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:28, Reply)

Meh
I think it's selfish to assume that you are somehow "entitled" to every single bit of money that comes your way purely by an accident of genetics. If I give you £20K tomorrow you still have to pay tax on it. How is inheritence any different from a gift?
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:27, Reply)

I don't think you should have to pay it on a gift either.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:28, Reply)

what about on a salary?

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:34, Reply)

Absolutely.
You pay tax on that. After that, what you spend it on is yours and if you choose to give whatever that might be to someone else I genuinely fail to see why anyone else is entitled to any of it.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:38, Reply)

What about VAT?

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:43, Reply)

What about DRE?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:43, Reply)

Oh man, I totally forgot!

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

Did you not listen to his song?!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:49, Reply)

I just assumed that he had sold all his guns or summat.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:50, Reply)

I heard that too
He just wants one more platinum plaque. Not much to ask, is it?
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

Oh man I forgot about him

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

Keep up back there.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:49, Reply)

Needs to push harder eh?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

that's taking it to extremes
not wanting your entire estate to be divided up and shared amongst the masses is different to being a selfish cunt!

but do we really think people would still be preaching about the benefits of returning every generation to the £100k mortgage route if they were in line to inherit a £2M house? i don't believe it in the case of 99.9% of people. i think their principles would change in line with their expectations.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:29, Reply)

Which is why tax is imposed rather than voluntary.
It has been stated in various forms in this thread that no one likes it, but we do have to go along with it.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:31, Reply)

but the people saying that it should go far and above the current regime
would they still be saying that if they came from rich families, or if they won the lottery but couldn't give it to their own kids?

this is my cynicism with it, i think NOT.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:32, Reply)

Nobody's arguing with you
we're saying we should pay it anyway even though we don't want to.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:39, Reply)

well if nobody's arguing
what's the point?

your face smells.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:40, Reply)

it's called a nose, that's what it's for.

( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:42, Reply)

Amongst other things.

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:43, Reply)

cf 'fat-cat salaries'
How many of the thousands of whingers who plague this country night and day would take a job paying them 1m a year and give all bar 30k (or whatever) away because that would be ‘fair’? The answer is about 3 – who are very nice but also clearly a bit mental.
( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:31, Reply)

Is that me, Al and Chompy?
Would have been four, but Foggsy is dead (4EVAINRHARTZ)
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:33, Reply)

RIP WILF, IN THE GREAT BIKE-CRASH IN THE SKY 4EVA

( Monty Boyce, My cheese game is strong, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:35, Reply)

yes
it is the same point. the whingers couldn't do that job, however much they want to bash said fat-cat.

of course, some of the fat-cats can't do the job either, but that's a matter for their employer...
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:35, Reply)

There are people who whine too far, absolutely.
But arguing about what is and isn't a fair tax on money you've earned is a whole different game to what is and isn't a fair tax on money you've done absolutely fuck all to deserve.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:36, Reply)

straw man
Even at 60% tax you're keeping 400K. And there are any number of ways to keep more.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:40, Reply)

It's not "your" estate.
That is rather the issue, and that's what makes it default selfish. You didn't make or earn a single penny of it.

I think if you were in line to inheret a £2M house and you even moaned for one tiny second about merely getting £1.46M for doing absolutely fuck all, then you are a massively selfish cunt, yep.

I know I play the pretend socialist sometimes but this is something that I'm afraid I strongly believe in. And FWIW, my parent's house value does put me in the "taxed" category.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:33, Reply)

flip it round
if you've worked hard all your life, why shouldn't you be able to choose the beneficiaries of that work? people want to give their children and grandchildren something, not random strangers.

i agree that whinging about contributing something is selfish, sure. but that wasn't what i was talking about. the suggestion above was that everyone should effectively give everything away on death, and it's that point that i think would be dropped pretty sharpish if the person making it suddenly came in line to inherit a shedload.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:39, Reply)

link to the post saying everyone should effectively give everything away?
I appear to have missed that one. Perhaps the Invisible Communist Boogeyman has me on ignore 2.0.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:42, Reply)

Swipe shouldn't even be in this thread.
The whole thing should be invisible to her.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:47, Reply)

ah well
we don't always get what we want
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:49, Reply)

The Rolling Stones melancholy follow up single?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:50, Reply)

i can't
when i am posting via this logging out and logging back in again schtick.

it's been said up there and before though ^^

i agree with you, i think something should be paid to redress the balance, but you'll never find an amount that suits everyone.
( rachelswipe with a fork, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

The only person saying it is Monty
and he's arguing your side.
( The Light in Chains don't touch the Pope's boner, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:52, Reply)

and I'm saying it wouldn't, because despite my natural cynicism
I am aware that the majority of people aren't actually selfish arseholes.

I'm not arguing everyone should give away it all on death (who said that?) but that a proportion is reasonable. If you wish to argue that you should be able to hand over what you've earned - no tax - by all means, I can work for that. It means you just get to hand over what you paid for your house and what you paid for your share portfolio, not what it is worth now. Becuase you didn't earn the rest. You acquired it purely from a combination of luck and the financial improvement of the economy of country you live in. The government of which now wishes some recompense for that fact.

You of all people should understand the inherent fairness of that, it's pretty much ubercapitalism. Money to those that TRUELY earned it. Of all the taxes there are, it's probably the fairest, because it only targets the wealthy specifically over money they didn't even earn.
( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:47, Reply)

The threshold should be increased a bit though
Originally this was a fat-cat type of tax and now it isn't
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

It is now affecting fat cows too.

( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

Not this one
My parents dont have that kind of cash
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:52, Reply)

Serious thread is FAR TOO FUCKING SERIOUS!

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:44, Reply)

Good fun though.
Quick tell us about your lunch*.

*Actually don't.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:46, Reply)

I HAVE NO LUNCH!!*
* yet
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

I can't wait.
I'm going to eat a banana now.
More updates to follow.
( tangledupinblue hairy badge with moving eyes, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

yeah, but I'm actually wanking as I type this.

( the mighty badger Aphrodite, on a bar stool, by your side, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

Well duurrr

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

We can talk about Will I Am being fucking played on Mars
I think I'd prefer U2 or Coldplay.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:48, Reply)

Star Trekkin' is what should have been played

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:49, Reply)

Alternatively, we could have just shot him to Mars to play live*
*i.e. dead
( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:50, Reply)

If I was Will I am I would have taken that option.
"We're going to send you to mars to die" I'd jump at that chance.
(PsychoChomp, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:51, Reply)

IF I'M NOT ME, DEN WHO DE HELL AM I.AM?

( sporters I’m sincerely gratitude to you, Wed 29 Aug 2012, 11:52, Reply)