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# How so?
economy is dying again, education and environment have been all but forgotten, and what happened to the separation of church and state? I admit the other candidates may not be stellar, but right now I'd love to see anybody but Bush in office.
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:25, archived)
# Oh, so Gray Davis would have picked the economy back up?
Nope. And at least Arnie's trying.
In this country, Church and State will Never be seperated no matter what, but it's good to see we're trying.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:29, archived)
# I wasn't talking about Cali governors
I was talking about Bush.
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:35, archived)
# My world is California,
if the United States wants to introduce a national curriculmn for education - and stick to it - then things may get better, but right now they're bad. Education is not even State governed, it's per district!
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:43, archived)
# On the other hand
Bush is doing something about the greatest threat to the Western world since the Cold War, and the US is no longer completely dominated by the sexism and racism inherent in the politically correct policies of the Clinton years.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:42, archived)
# Taking away
a woman's right to choose isn't a form of sexism? And on some levels he is promoting religious descrimination.

knew I should have kept my mouth shut and stayed out of this thread...
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:46, archived)
# I do believe Indole
is stating his case the same way I stated mine.
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:47, archived)
# If a man has no right to choose
why should I care if a woman does or not? It should be both, or neither.

In any case, the Democrats were and are much more anti-male than the Republicans. Especially in the area of divorce law, child custody and child support.

The Democrats also support affirmative action, which is racist.

So I was happy to see Bush elected, and I hope he gets re-elected.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:53, archived)
# ^ What he said ^
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:55, archived)
# Thank you


Now I just need to photoshop John Kerry as a carrot, or a horse, or something, and I'll be happy. :)
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:57, archived)
# holy guacamole
@ morpheus: and i started this thread... i apologize. blame me. and i am more scared than ever now of whats gonna happen with the US behaving like an empire ... and even able to convince the people who live there that its right.
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:56, archived)
# ah, so you also
have aspirations of world domination? ;)
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:58, archived)
# I don't live there
I'm an Australian. And I can assure you that a US empire is preferable to an Islamic or Communist one.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:58, archived)
# now thats a totally speculative point
and we will never be allowed to find out, and how could we? coz its the tendency of empires to impose themselves.
actually, what a great idea: how about we try these three options out for awhile: 10 years US/capitalist then 10 years communist then 10 years islamist. and after that the people decide which one works best. well actually, we prolly wont last that long if the capitalists get to start...
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:02, archived)
# Not all that speculative.
We have historical examples of Communism and contemporary examples of Islamism to look at.

Would you prefer to live in the Soviet Union, Iran, or the US? I know which one I'd prefer.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:04, archived)
# Nononono.
This is a very illuminating thread, thank you.
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 8:59, archived)
# no apology needed
I didn't have to step into this thread, and probably shouldn't have. I wasn't looking for a debate, only to offer a view that differed from others. Que cera cera. =)
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:07, archived)
# Which is why we're
still contributing to this thread. Go ahead and step in and FFS don't apologise for it - doesn't our society (i.e. western culture) pride itself on freedom of speech?
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:10, archived)
# Hell yeah.
And we'll invade anyone who disagrees. So long as they're sitting on some nice big oil wells.
</troll>
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:14, archived)
# *snort*
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:15, archived)
# If I were President
I'd invade the country with the most kittens.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:18, archived)
# They've already
colonised us culturally, financially and politically. There's no need.
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:21, archived)
# Yes they have
mine are definitely the emperors of this house...
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:30, archived)
# hehehehe
freedom of speech is sketchy too... look at what happened to Howard Stern.
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:14, archived)
# That isn't a freedom of speech case
as you don't have a "right" to broadcast a show on a national network.

Though I don't agree with his sacking, it has nothing to do with the government.
(Indole Ring, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:17, archived)
# There again
just an example... a broad example, but an example nonetheless. =)
(I helped save b3ta! MorpheusRiot Guambats or Guammibears?, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:19, archived)
# That's very true.
Say what you like about Americans, but they're nothing less than psychotic in their defense of the 1st amendment.
(tomsk, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:19, archived)
# I'll say what
I want!

*bang*
(I helped save b3ta! Batshitmentalist is sane for once, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:23, archived)
# howard stern, nipplegate, etc etc etc etc
just look at this year's academy awards celebration and how well behaved all the artists were. intimidated? you bet.
(I helped save b3ta! pieceoplastic.com CEO, Tue 2 Mar 2004, 9:18, archived)