The problem lies not with immigrantsbut with the benefits system itself. A rich country like the UK can afford a degree of social welfare for legitimate refugees. It should not enable them to manipulate the lucrative complexities of the system though. That applies to British citizens too.
Seeing lots of 'illegal immigrants' walking down your high street is a symptom of the real problem of Britain's bureaucratic mire. Don't blame immigrants for trying to exploit it; if you were in the same situation as them, I bet you'd do it too.
(Seeing lots of 'illegal immigrants' walking down your high street is a symptom of the real problem of Britain's bureaucratic mire. Don't blame immigrants for trying to exploit it; if you were in the same situation as them, I bet you'd do it too.
chart cat has an itch,
Sat 24 Oct 2009, 17:25,
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How many countries do these immigrants pass through to get to this allegedly "rich country" The reason they come here is because they know immigration is largely unchecked and that if they 'lose' their passports they can't be deported.
If they were genuine asylum seekers they should be claiming asylum in the closest country. They come here for the free handouts and a lax system that suits their penchance for lying and thieving.
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Sun 25 Oct 2009, 12:02,
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If they were genuine asylum seekers they should be claiming asylum in the closest country. They come here for the free handouts and a lax system that suits their penchance for lying and thieving.
"their penchance for lying and thieving" - genetic evidence please.
"if they 'lose' their passports they can't be deported" - legal evidence please.
("if they 'lose' their passports they can't be deported" - legal evidence please.
monkeon schmonkeon,
Sun 25 Oct 2009, 12:20,
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well, technically...."their penchant for lying and thieving" - evidence: they're human. Case closed.
"if they 'lose' their passports, they can't be deported" - evidence: not true in and of itself, but part of something which is actually true. If an immigrant claims to be from somewhere with an appauling human rights regeime, and the authorities can't prove that they're actually from somewhere else, they cannot be deported. Bit of a hard one - obviously, we wouldn't want to send anyone back somewhere where they'd be instantly horribled to death, but it's an easy one to abuse, and people have clocked onto this fact.
("if they 'lose' their passports, they can't be deported" - evidence: not true in and of itself, but part of something which is actually true. If an immigrant claims to be from somewhere with an appauling human rights regeime, and the authorities can't prove that they're actually from somewhere else, they cannot be deported. Bit of a hard one - obviously, we wouldn't want to send anyone back somewhere where they'd be instantly horribled to death, but it's an easy one to abuse, and people have clocked onto this fact.
Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too,
Mon 26 Oct 2009, 22:47,
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Would lack of local knowledgeand the wrong accent not make it very hard to lie about where you come from, though?
( monkeon schmonkeon,
Tue 27 Oct 2009, 14:19,
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from what I gather, nobut I don't work in that area. My limited familiarity with the subject comes only from knowing somebody who works with the people who deal with this kind of thing.
However, I don't suppose that the immigration services keep an expert on every conceivable country on the books, just on the offchance that someone might claim to be from there. I would imagine they'd count themselves fairly fortunate if they could find a translator...
(However, I don't suppose that the immigration services keep an expert on every conceivable country on the books, just on the offchance that someone might claim to be from there. I would imagine they'd count themselves fairly fortunate if they could find a translator...
Happy Phantom has been to Hastings, Brighton, and Eastbourne too,
Wed 28 Oct 2009, 1:53,
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